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Oldest known 10 Commandments is in America, in Ancient Hebrew Script-From time of king Solomon
June 14, 2009, 7:43 am
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Ohio Decalogue Stone and Keystone

In November of 1860, David Wyrick of Newark, Ohio found an inscribed stone in a burial mound about 10 miles south of Newark. The stone is inscribed on all sides with a condensed version of the Ten Commandments or Decalogue, in a peculiar form of post-Exilic square Hebrew letters. The robed and bearded figure on the front is identified as Moses in letters fanning over his head.

YHWH keystone written in Ancient Block Hebrew found in Newark, OH Indian Mounds.

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NOW THESE ARE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS

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It says on the rock

יהו”ה   אלהינו

at the gate

Welcome to the Location of the Oldest known TEN Commandments, the only place on Earth where the name of GOD is found having been written into a stone altar dedicated to Him, and the First place of worship established to the Biblical GOD in America!

South of Albuquerque, and west of Los Lunas, New Mexico, an ancient inscription was carved into the face of a boulder centuries ago. It is the text of the Ten Commandments, written in Hebrew! Of particular interest is the fact that the type of Hebrew writing that was used was Paleo-Hebrew, which is the form of Hebrew writing that was used for approximately a one-thousand-year period, ending about 500 BC. This means that we can fairly conclude that the inscription of the Ten Commandments was engraved on the face of a boulder in New Mexico, North America, sometime prior to 500 BC!  The Holy One of Israel led colonies of righteous Israelites to the land of America, prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Babylonian dispersion that occurred in about 587 BC. Harvard scholar Robert Pfeiffer. Pfeiffer, an expert in Semitic languages, concluded that the mysterious inscription was written in a form of Paleo-Hebrew and paraphrased the Ten Commandments.

I am Yahweh thy God who brought thee out of the land,” Pfeiffer’s translation began. “There shall not be unto them other gods before Me.” Hebrew scholars, such as Cyrus Gordon of Brandeis University near Boston, have vouched for its
authenticity. Historian Steven M. Collins points out that the “Las Lunas Stone” inscription in archaic Hebrew was written in the Hebrew letters of the style of the Moabite Stone, dated to about 1,000 B.C. This would place the  writing on the stone to the time of the kingdom of ancient Israel under its most affluent and powerful king, Solomon, who reigned from 1014 B.C. to 974 B.C. sea voyages around the world were fairly
common during the time of king Solomon, the son of David, during Israel’s “golden age.” Solomon’s incredible wealth also strongly points to the Las Lunas stone inscription as having been carved during his reign. Financing sailing voyages of discovery and maritime trade is no small feat. Vast sums and investments are required. Solomon was the wealthiest king who ever lived, and undoubtedly had the resources to fund such far reaching and dangerous voyages. Also, during his reign Israel was in league with the other major world powers of the day, including Tyre and the Phoenicians, and the nation of Egypt.

It is ‘Hidden Mountain’ (5507’) in New Mexico having the local “Mystery Stone” as it is still called by the State, now named the ‘Phoenician Inscription Rock’ on the official maps or “Mystery Rock” in their ‘area attractions’ lists.

The site is located 35 airmiles due SW of Albuquerque on Hwy 6 (Historic ‘Route 66’) at mm18 S of I-40 or 16 miles W of I-25 at Los Lunas (where for it has also become known as the “Los Lunas Decalogue”).

It was once an Israelite Wilderness Tabernacle site some 2500 or more years ago, with its high place Altar inscription to ‘the LORD our God’ of the Bible, and 80 ton boulder “Commandments stone” Mezuzah ‘at the gate’ -dating from the ‘Old Testament’ period of the Paleo-Hebrew ‘mother script’.  It is the only ’10 commandments’ yet found in the ancient writing.  Historically the mountain was called Cerro Los Moqujino (Cliff of the Strange writings) by the Native Americans stating it pre-existed the arrival of their ancestors into the area.

It’s been said there exists about 2,000 glyphs around Hidden Mtn. for a radius of about 6 miles.

The next most significant locale Hebrew is not far away (in the Purgatoire River valley due South of La Junta Colorado), where the oldest written inscriptions in the US are  (c.1250 BCE. conservatively), from the earliest Ligature phase of word-formation by ‘tying letters together into a picture’. Those too have YaH inscriptions identifiable with the Exodus people.

The actual massive rock which appears like a small ship with cleared keel (maybe what attracted his attention to it), of the volcanic basalt from the top Tertiary shelf is a remnant of geological prehistory which fell 2/3 of the way down the mountain to become what now has stood ground 2500+ years as a massive “Mezuzah” (Bible script found at every Jewish doorway). Set at a Right angle to the Left of the main entry before a natural gateway to this ancient site with Altar having the same writing but at exactly the opposite angle Leftward unto facing the River where it’s flowing in a strait line perfectly perpendicular to it.

Being the greatest of only three ‘10 commandments’ stones found anywhere in the world (the others being the “Ohio Decalogue” a much smaller example in a unique type of the post exilic Jewish square script and another one of the “Michigan Artifacts” found written in a Cuneiform style of Hebrew graphics!) and therefore most worthy of copy, these are made utilizing the complete Alphabet, the best example of the print closest to that writing of the original tablets, as the Paleo is the only Hebrew having an equal size characters letter set which plotting on both sides of two tablets according to the accounts would’ve required. These remakes of it are correct down to the very angle it sets at, but without the ancient scribes mistake of overlooking a part afterward realized and inserted (with a diacritical mark^), with the corrected spelling of a couple of the words and addition of yet a couple more he passed up for an accurate to Exodus 20 readable abridgement of the full Decalogue (as below unembossed)

There are a surprising number of evidences and corroborations that there have been Israelites visiting and living upon the American continents for thousands of years.

Other inscriptions, also written in Paleo-Hebrew, have been discovered in the states of Iowa, Ohio, and Tennessee, as well as in Brazil. In Newark, Ohio, a carved stone of curious workmanship was discovered which also bears an engraved inscription of the Ten Commandments of the Covenant – in Paleo-Hebrew. At a site known as Bat Creek cave, in Tennessee, an ancient Hebrew inscription has been found which mentions the Israelite tribe of Judah!

Another fascinating archaeological discovery in America is an ancient artifact bearing an old Hebrew inscription of the Ten Commandments unearthed in Ohio in 1860. The tablet also includes a scene of an individual – Moses – carved into the front of the tablet in considerable detail, holding the tablets of the Ten Commandments. This artifact was discovered in an ancient burial mound.

Without a doubt, these various inscriptions firmly establish the fact that Israelites were in America long before the arrival of Europeans!

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Native Language & Customs


There are
many Native American Indian customs that confirm the fact of their Hebrew origins. Many of those customs and linguistic evidences were noticed and recorded by the first Europeans who had contact with the various Indian tribes. Congressman]; A View of the Hebrews, by Ethan Smith; and American Antiquities, by Josiah Priest.

The old customs of the American Indian people included many rituals that were the same, or partially modified, from the equivalent Hebrew observances of the Mosaic Law. Each Indian tribe displayed some customs or traditions that are definitely Hebrew in character. Examples include: circumcision in some tribes; ritual purification after touching a dead body; laws of unclean meats [many Indian tribes followed the dietary laws]; cities of refuge [to which a person who accidentally had committed a felony could flee for safety from retribution]; levirate marriages [the obligation of a brother to ‘raise up seed’ to a deceased brother who left a childless widow]; laws of niddah [separation] for menstruating women; ritual purification in preparation for warfare; manner of marriage, divorce, and punishment for adultery; their lunar-based calendar; animal sacrifices; and many others.

A strong example of the Hebrew origin of some American Indian people includes the observance of annual holy days, which correspond with the appointed feasts of the Bible. For example, many Native American tribes celebrated a spring holy day known generally as the “feast of green corn”, which was observed at the time of the full moon in early spring. Corresponding with this, we find that in the Hebrew calendar, the name for the month in which the Passover occurs was originally known as Abib, which can be translated as “green ear [of grain]”. Like the ‘feast of green corn’, the Passover was observed at the time of the full moon. Indian legends, including that of
the Yuchis, stating they had migrated to the area of Florida and Georgia from the region of the
Bahamas. According to their legends, the island sank beneath the sea and they fled for their
lives.
These same Yuchis later migrated to the Oklahoma territory, where they eventually
settled down. Amazingly enough, they show strong evidence that they had contact with the Old World in historic times. They have a custom which is unique among the American Indians. They are racially and linguistically different from their neighbors. Every year on the fifteenth day of the sacred month of harvest, in the fall, they make a pilgrimage. For eight days they live in “booths” with roofs open to the sky, covered with branches and leaves and foliage. During this festival, they dance around the sacred fire, and called upon the name of God. The ancient Israelites had the virtually identical custom, in many respects. In the harvest season in the fall, on the 15th day of the sacred month of harvest (the seventh month), theycelebrate the “festival of booths” for eight days. During this time they lived in temporary booths, covered with branches, leaves, fronds. This festival goes back to the time of Moses and the Exodus from ancient Egypt (Leviticus 23). Dr. Cyrus Gordon, of Brandeis University in Boston, was privileged to sit in on one of the fall harvest festivals of the Yuchi Indians, and listened to their chants, songs, and sacred ceremonies. An expert in Hebrew, Minoan, and many Middle Eastern languages, he was  incredulous. As he listened, he exclaimed to his companion, “My God! They are speaking the Hebrew names of God!”

Some of the best-educated Europeans who first contacted American Indians in eastern North America noticed that, in the language of many tribes, there were numerous words that sounded the same, and had the same meaning as Hebrew words! Among those reaching this conclusion were notable early immigrants to North America, such as William Penn, Roger Williams, and Jonathan Edwards. Words that have the same sounds and meanings in Hebrew as they do in Indian languages include words for: man, wife, the heavens, prayer, winter, as well as numerous verbs and phrases. Among the words that were nearly identical to the Hebrew were Yo-he-wah [corresponding to Yahweh], and ha-le-lu or ha-le-lu-yah. Similarly, in the mid-1600’s, reports of Hebrew-speaking Indians in South America first came to the attention of Europeans. As in North America, not only did the Europeans discover many strong similarities between the spoken languages of the Indians and the Hebrew language, they also reported seeing inscriptions written in Hebrew, and a very strong similarity between Indian customs and Israelite practices.

Israelis made to America thousands of years before Europeans because there were sailors from the tribe of Zebulon and they went all over the world and left there mark. They left from the City of Eilat also it is recorded in the Old Testament that Solomon sent his navy all over to bring copper and silver and gold and tin and minerals like turquoise for the temple he was about to build. Also the name and continent is mentioned in The books of Talmud and Mishna that was written thousands of years ago. Israel knew that the world was round. The Vatican accepted the world being round after man stepped onto the moon and then and only then did they apologize for wishing to burn Galileo at the stake for stating that the world is round.

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Here is the language connection


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Can those with capability investigate similarities of the “Yuchis” to “Blood Groups” of other “Indian Tribes” that may exist.Language wise,do they have similarities in every-day speach? The existing “Cohanim” show a difference in their Blood Grouping from the rest of the “House of Israel”Does a similarity exist?
This has been a very interesting Article,but I think the there is far too big a divide to confirm that there exists a “Blood Brother and Cultural Relationship to the House of Israel today

Comment by Roland

I live in western CT, and there are 5 sites that were visited by two college professors, after discovery by a high school teacher that were ALL dated to MINIMUALLY 1200 BC, as the Celtic inscriptions carved in STONE were WITHOUT constanents, that existed only AFTER 1200 BC. Structures build of massive stone slabs, and used to establish vernal equinox and summer solstice, were almost exact replicas of those made by the Celts in Spain, France and Ireland, using ‘corbeled arches’. The finds here and in NH were summed up in the book the two professors put out about 1968 called ” Americ BC “.

Comment by Harold E. Walker

Correction to above reply; should read … ” without VOWELS ‘ , not consonants, which I also spelled wrong.

Writing there was Ogam, and the symbol for the summer solstice, a circle with a line bisecting it, indicating ‘half day; half night’ was also seen. Some of the stones dragged over the top of their structures were estimated to be over 3 1/2 tons. Sadly, seeds from trees grew in sever openings, and the trees that developed have actually lifted some of these stones over the centuries. As they had only man power and no domesticated animals, not even rope/pulleys, it is a mystery as to how it was accomplished.

H.E. Walker

Comment by Harold E. Walker

The partial Zodiac with YaH glyph composed of a Sun-Moon eclipse and aligning of the 5 Planets in Libra as found on the Northmost point of Hidden Mtn. NM, event has been exacted using 5 astronomical programs for affirmation, to date to the year 759 B.C.E. late in the day of Teruah.

Comment by +odd Eaton, paleologist

The Church’s problem with Galileo had nothing to do with the world being round. It was the Earth orbiting the Sun rather than the Sun orbiting the Earth.

Also, the Los Lunes stone is a hoax. The author used a carat ” ^ ” in a place to insert part of the text he forgot. This practice was not part of ancient Hebrew writing.

Comment by harte

experts think differently

Comment by godssecret

The Israelites ARE Europeans. When we left Israel in 745 BC we went up into Russia and then westward to Europe to found the Many Nations for our father Abraham. We also traveled to America long before anybody else. Joseph had tin mines in England at the time of Christ and that’s why he was the rich man who asked Pilate for the body of Christ. See Pilate’s letter on my web page for more info.

Comment by Skip Baker

In just the past two years,I have been on search quest.It started when I went with friends arrow head hunting.I live in Western Ky.. I had never heard about the ancient mound builders until that day. I became intrigued immediatly.What I soon discovered was rocks of various types that
would have faces or animals symbols,ect..
My friends passed my findings off as nature
made or I was losing my mind. I know have discovered I was right from the start. I walk fields and creeks sometimes gravel roads in what we call bottoms or low lying land that floods in the spring.We also have mounds,though I DO NOT dishonor our Native
indians by digging into their acient ancesters tombs.
Ok, the point this last year I have come upon letters that instantly reminded me of hebrew letters. I have found what looks like greek letters and roman numerals.
I am told that these certain mound builders
were called the Mississippians. I have artwork on stone that is painted or etched or carved ect.In one place I go I have found the image of a man and woman together on the same stones.I understand that these people had an hiarchy and the largest mound was for the royal family buriels. Ok, well,
the man in these images has a beard and they look as if they are wearing clothes made of cloth.In my mind from the start I felt that these people were either middle eastern decent or greek.Now I am finding sites on the pc that keep confirming what I thought all along

Comment by Amy Sullivan

The Israelites ARE Europeans.

were some

but long since they have given up there heritage and customs

intermarried

Comment by godssecret

@harte
In your expert analysis of this artifact, you have found what you believe to be a flaw, and have dismissed the entire thing as a hoax.

Would you care to address the other 80% of the facts provided here? Why did Native Americans speak a Hebrew-like language and have a culture showing Hebrew origins?

And how do you explain away other artifacts found in the Americas that suggest Biblical ties and beliefs?

Comment by geeksmith

I am only commenting on the iscription. I am not familiar with the Native American language or culture to comment on that information. However, I am familiar with Semitic languages and culture.
In the above inscription I will discuss the lines, there are 9 lines, beginning at the top
right.

In line 1, the 5th and 6th words from the right are actually the hophal verb
form, and should be written together. This is the first mistake, which no one
mentions.

Line 2 is completely out of place, it should go where they have the (2) in the
photo. This is an arrow, in my opinion, marking the authors obvious mistake.
Which in my opinion shows he was just copying symbols, and didnt know what he
was writing. Also in line 2 the L’kha (for you) is missing from the verse.

In the 3rd line, the 7th word from the right is mispelled. It is supposed to say
pesel, with a samekh. However, the author uses the mim instead, so it reads
pemel. No one mentions this, which shows the author didnt even know what the
letters where he was utilizing.

In the 5th line, the second word is supposed to say l’qadsho. The word is
spelled with a quf variant of the Samaritan alphabet. This variant was not
developed till after the second temple times, and could not be as old as is
suggested. The last words of line 5 is spelled with a lamed as the last letter,
l’ma’al, while it should be l’ma’an with a nun.

In my opinion, this goes beyond language deterioration. For one, the person
writing could not even distinguish between the samekh and mim, two completely
different letters, though the mim is used 7 times before the word pesel, and
used 7 times after this word for a total of 14 occurances. Another is that he
uses the alef in zakor as if it were a vowel letter, when this is never done in
the Hebrew. This shows the person was accustomed to the western languages which
utilized vowel in addition to the consonants.

The nail in the coffin though is the second line being out of place, which even
the author makes note of. Had this person known what it was he was writing, this
would not have happened. Below I am translating what is written on this stone:

(1) I am YHWH your god which brought you out from the land

(2) there shall be no other gods before my face

(3) Egypt from the house of slaves (arrow indicating the mistake) you shall not
make pemel you shall not bear

(4) the name of YHWH for nothing remember the day

(5) of the shabbath to sanctify it honor your father and your mother (l’ma’al)

(6) is extended your days upon the land which YHWH your god

(7) gives to you dont murder dont adulterate dont steal dont

(8) answer against your neighbor an intoxicant (sic) testimony dont desire your
neighbor’s woman

(9) or any which is your neighbor’s

Add to this the location in which this inscription was found, and we find that the Mormon Battalion was active in the New Mexico territory, and especially in the Albuquerque are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Battalion

At this time, the Mormon group was actively trying to find suppport for the claim that the Israelites were in America, and were in fact the ancestors of the Native American tribes. The fact that the inscription cannot be dated by the patina, and only by the type of script, along with the group operating in this are alone makes the inscription circumspect.

Yaaqov

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

well done bro, I’m proud of you! Bas Israel

Comment by curious

What you have over looked is the water damage to the stone. The stone shows significant water erosion from line 4. We have the history of that valley since the 1500s..Sorry, don’t think the entire Mormon battalion could carry enough water to do that..The best explanation I’ve heard to date is the glifs and the stone where probably from people on the same ship..The stone work shows someone that knew how to inscribe without breaking the stone. The glifs above are peonician in origin and show the crew was made up of people from various cultures..

Comment by Rob Walker

“Also the name and continent is mentioned in The books of Talmud and Mishna that was written thousands of years ago”

The Talmud and Mishna were not written “thousands of years ago”. I would also like for you to site the reference to the above quoted claim.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

the samekh and mim can look very similar

Comment by godssecret

This is the most amazing discovery I have yet to see and it just shows me how great is our GOD to show His handywork in a part of the world where we would never expect it. Thank You for sharing it with the world.

Comment by Elizabeth Lorenz

Right, so how old are the rocks?

Comment by Having doubts

It’s in the article. You can go on archeological websites and find the same thing. It’s sad that when these facts are presented that people who have been lied to by their religious leaders can’t see the lies. What this does show is that some of those who try to use the DNA findings wrongly to prove there is no link of American Indians and Israel are wrong. Check out http://www.Jefflindsay.com about the DNA misconceptions.

Comment by Grasshopper

[...] Originally Posted by Celastrus The Great Mystery wasn't personified as a being until after colonization, when it became the Great Spirit. It was the Great Mystery – the mystery of everything, how all things are connected. It was not a being, and as far as it can be proved never had been, at least for the tribes I have researched. But according to your Bible, the Christian God hates people regarding spirits at all (kill the witches). I don't see how, if your Bible is true, and if the theories about God being on the North American continent previously (after simple killing the "godless savages" became unfashionable) that he would have permitted any of them to have spirit consultations. I don't see why he would make rules one way for one people, and another way for another people. The God of the Bible was a jealous and vengeful and angry God. He would not change character based on location. At least, if he truly cared about human beings, rather than just liked to mess with them to see what happens, like a little boy with a magnifying glass on an anthill. The Great Spirit, also called Wakan Tanka among the Sioux, The Creator, or The Great Maker in English and Gitchi Manitou in Algonquian, is a conception of a supreme being prevalent among some Native American and First Nations cultures. According to Lakotah activist Russell Means a better translation of Wakan Tanka is The Great Mystery. The Great Spirit or Great Mystery is generally believed to be personal, close to the people, and immanent in the fabric of the material world. Lakotah prayers refer to Him as Grandfather; however, not all Nations assign gender, or only one gender, to the Great Mystery. Chief Dan Evehema, a spiritual leader of the Hopi Nation, described the Great Spirit as follows: "To the Hopi, the Great Spirit is all powerful. He taught us how to live, to worship, where to go and what food to carry, gave us seeds to plant and harvest. He gave us a set of sacred stone tablets into which he breathed all teachings in order to safeguard his land and life. In these stone tablets were inscribed instructions, prophecies and warnings."[citation needed]It seems like this Great Spirit was considered all powerful, personal and the Creator, who "gave tablets of stone" to the people with his teachings. And then I came across this, which claims that the oldest known 10 commandments were found written in stone in North America: South of Albuquerque, and west of Los Lunas, New Mexico, an ancient inscription was carved into the face of a boulder centuries ago. It is the text of the Ten Commandments, written in Hebrew! Of particular interest is the fact that the type of Hebrew writing that was used was Paleo-Hebrew, which is the form of Hebrew writing that was used for approximately a one-thousand-year period, ending about 500 BC. This means that we can fairly conclude that the inscription of the Ten Commandments was engraved on the face of a boulder in New Mexico, North America, sometime prior to 500 BC! For the blog link, the full article and photos, you can click here: Oldest known 10 Commandments is in America, in Ancient Hebrew Script-From time of king Solomon Godss… [...]

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I’m not sure what you are talking about. I don’t think you understand why American Indians were hated and killed. It was simply to help those in power of America to expand the boarders and go west. The Christians at the time were a part of the way it was done but not most of the piece of the puzzle. The facts is that these artifacts were known as the American Indian was being killed off but had to be hidden from the public because if there was any inclination that American Indians had a connection to the God of Israel, the wicked powers in Government would not have been able to do what they did. But, then, history isn’t your strongest suit, is it?

Comment by Grasshopper

The samech and mim do not resemble each other at all. I believe you are referring to the similarity of the tsadhe and the mim, which to the untrained eye may be mistaken.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Faked by Mormons? Did they also teach Hebrew words and customs to Indian tribes all over North America? I think the Vikings may have to cede the discovery of America to the Israelites.

Comment by Louie in Seattle

I think your attack lacks science. It sounds more like a crying baby to me that the Mormons may just have something with the Book of Mormon. These artifacts were found by real archeologists and have been correctly dated to be ancient artifacts. Close mindedness is as destructive to one’s soul as murder because it kills life, especially eternal life. My thought to you is grow up.

Comment by Grasshopper

Could you please site which Hebrew words are part of Native American speech?

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Anyone that knows about languages also knows that dialects change about every 50 years to where there are very little to know similarities. Only in our modern era are we able to keep languages in tact for longer periods. But, you are putting up a strawman to deflect that facts of these ancient artifacts.

Comment by Grasshopper

You don’t get it do you? Your faith in a modern “prophet” blinds you to what Yaaqov Ben Yisrael is trying to tell you. You see it as an attack, but he is in fact stating facts. You obviously can’t tell a Rabbi when you see one. A RABBI! He’s an expert by default on Hebrew. He can read it better than any Christian can. He has to be able to and he can. He also has more facts straight than the “archeologists” (who were likely Mormon themselves) who discovered this thing did.

ben Yisrael has properly translated the Hebrew and thus has shown it to be written by what is obviously an amateur and not a native speaker. Furthermore, The inscriptions cannot be dated by the patina, rather conveniently, and if it COULD I’m willing to bet my soul to a God I don’t believe in that it would be mid-to-late 19th century.

Try to find some authentic golden plates with “reformed Egyptian” on it, submit it to SECULAR scientists for a thorough analysis of legitimacy, and then show it to the world. Your prophet is wrong; People WILL believe the Book of Mormon is true if they were to see the authenticity of it. Faith blinds people. Seeing is believing…. and this stone? It’s clearly a hoax. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Comment by Logica

I found it very interesting, reading these comments. Some of the writers seem most qualified to do what they are trying to do, that is analyze and/or translate an ancient language that no one speaks anymore except maybe in a university laboratory of some kind.

But it’s amusing, looking at all the grammatical errors and mispellings. From people who are so knowledgeable about an ancient language and it’s alphabet. English is apparently their challenge.

Here are 10 examples;
speach (speech?)
sever (several?)
where (were?)
till (until or ’til?)
words is spelled (word is spelled or words are spelled?)
are (area?)
suppport (support?)
boarders (borders?)
site (cite?)
the facts is (the facts are or the fact is?)

There are more but I grew weary of identifying them.

Comment by Ray Perry

I have been trying too find the truth in my life that makes since about my spirtual belief s in god .I’m thankful for this information it truly has helped me be set free.WhY has our Government and scientist of the past led us astray?Why is tish informatoin not taught open ly too our children ?People all over the world will listen too historiscal proof before they will just believe.I have allways felt his presence .The truth must be told.

Comment by George Scott

I am of Cherokee/Choctaw descent, and white blood as well. And I know my Cherokee and Choctaw people were Jewish, but I know the present day Jews don’t like to accept our people. Before I knew of this connection the Lord lead me to start celebrating the Jewish holidays. I never asked why I just did it. Now I worship at a congregation that is both Jew and gentile and I feel it is right. We believe in Yeshua Ha’Mashiach as some of the early Jewish peoples did also. G-d bless all my people even if you don’t accept us all, G-d does ! and G-d bless you !

Comment by Janice Andreyka

There seems to be a basic assumption that whoever engraved the stone, must have needed to be an expert in the written language. However, it seems that these travelers would have been sailors or descended from sailors. I’m not sure that such a status would qualify them as written language experts at the presumed time this is thought to have been created. Ever try to write down lyrics to a song you have heard a long time ago? You do the best you can but you may get some lines wrong. I think the mistakes give it more credence. It it were fake, whoever might have done such a forgery would have taken the time to get it right, don’t you think? Whether it is true or not seems irrelevent. The fact that it is possible is intriguing.

Comment by Mike Kaminsky

Mike,

while I agree in part, I must say, that even if they were not linguistic experts, to write sentences out of their places, which would make no sense to the ear or memory, is simply absurd. Take just the first three lines, it would read:

I am YHWH your deity who brought you out of the land you shall have no other deities before me of egypt from the house of salves

This implies to me, that the person was not writing this from memory, but from another source near at hand. It would imply, that the person did not know what he was writing in the stone, and that is why the lines are misplaced. The arrow in the third line shows that after he wrote it, he realized the mistake. You can see this arrow in the third line between the words slaves and no.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Though these conversations are interesting and the prospects of physical evidence that would support my beliefs intriguing the concept that physical evidence proves or disprove a religious concept is naive. Religious beliefs are based on faith and have nothing to do with physical evidence and everything to do with spiritual evidence.

I am more certain of my faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ than I am in the existence of a country called Russia. I have personal and real experience with my faith and only the testimony of others for the existence of the country called Russia. This concept is unfathomable to someone who places the answers to everything in the hands of science but it is none the less the reality of my experience in life.

Comment by yes i am a believer

All there is, is the God

He leaves more than a few thing laying around

Comment by godssecret

That Hebrew was from a thousand years before the antichrist jews ‘joined’ our Israelite religion. They were defeated in 125 BC by OUR last real King of Judah, John Hyrcanus II in Idumea where they’d moved to from Edom. jews are Edomites (Canaanites) and didn’t write a single book of the bible and Jesus was NOT a jew. That’s WHY they killed Him. They bribed the Romans to install their own Edomite King Herod into office a century before Christ so they’d look as if they were real Israelites. But we REAL Israelites left in 745 BC and escaped up through the Caucasus Mountains through the Pass of Israel, and founded the “Many Nations” for our father Abraham in Europe. The jews are frauds pretending to be US!

Comment by Skip Baker

Many of the Jews you call “jews are Edomites”

Can trace there lineage all the way back to king David. I think you dont know what you are talking about.

You got a problem with Jews

You are a wanna be

get over it

or do something about it

How about you , you say “The jews are frauds pretending to be US!”

can you trace your lineage to the Biblical Jews
????????????????????????????????

Comment by godssecret

Jews cannot trace their lineage to David – PERIOD! Only JUDAH can trace their lineage back to David – PERIOD and then only a few of them. Queen Elizabeth II (a JUDAHITE of both Pherez and Zorah) can trace her lineage back to David.

Jews are descended from Khazaria, Mongolia, Sephardim (Babylon), Edom – PERIOD! That is a historically provable FACT.

Yes I do have someting against the Synagogue of Satan. It was neither the House of Judah nor the House of Israel (which had long since gone into Europe) who MURDERED YAHshua. It was Cain, Kenites, Canaanites, Edomites, Sephardim who murdered HIM. These same later interbred with Japeth, Mongols and Turks becoming todays “jews”.

YAHshua knew well what HE was saying when he said they were OF (LITERAL BLOOD) Cain and that they (The House of Cain from which jews come) had murdered every righteous Israelite from ABEL (CAIN SLEW ABLE) to Zacharius (John the Baptists Father whom they slew at the end of the age of the Maccabees) – From “A” to “Z”.

That is a fact and they are still murdering MY PEOPLE (TRUE ISRAEL) even today!

The ONLY reason anyone even believes that the jews are part of Israel is because they say so. They have ZERO proof, while I have much to prove that they are NOT.

Comment by James

Mr. Baker,

If you are referring to the above inscription as “that Hebrew”, which is somehow left over by the true Israelite native Americans in New Mexico; I would just like to say: The above inscription follows the same Hebrew grammatical structure as Biblical Hebrew found in the Old Testament, aside from the error I have already pointed out.

The Edomites and the Moabites are not Canaanite peoples, aside from the Canaanite language group, of which Hebrew is also a part of. If you knew your Bible at all, the LXX, MT, or ST all record that the Edomites are from Esau, the son of Avraham; and that Moab is the son of Lot and his daughter. Both Avraham and Lot were Semites, as well as Aramaeans, and both came from the same city state, Ur

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Mr. Baker,

you stated “Jesus was NOT a jew”. I will have to agree with you for the following reason:

Mary was the cousin (sungenes) of Elizabeth and Zachariah Luke 1:26, who were Levites. Sungenes in the Greek doesnt mean simply relative, as some commentators claim, but a blood relative, of the same family. Zachariah was a priest, and a member of the Kahanah (priesthood). Elizabeth was also a Levite from Aaron, and from a family of priests Luke 1:5. This means, Mary herself was a Levite, and of a priestly family.

Sungenes is used in the Septuagint (Greek Translation of the 1st 5 Books) in reference to an aunt; specifically one who is married to the father’s brother Lev 18:14. This means Mary’s father was Zachariah’s brother. Tribal affiliation was through the father, and not the mother, which is why the law prohibited female heirs from marrying outside the tribe, as in the case of Zelophehad’s daughters Num 36. This being the case, Mary was a Levite, and not from the tribe of Judah.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Thank you for your insight Yaaqov.Although not directly related to the first subject, I have had a question that I have not been able to get a reasonable answer to.In 2Samuel 8:18 it states that David’s sons were cohanim.How can that be since they would be from Judah not Levi?

Comment by Natan'el

Paul calls all Israel his sungenes.

Comment by Stephen

Of all the comments here, Skip Baker’s is the only one that makes sense. Couple his assertion (which is backed by archeological, etymological and historical [biblical and secualar]) the only sane conclusion one can make is that the Europeans of today are the Israelites of the scripture.

Even Archeologists attached to the Smithosonian Isnstitute were forced to admit that WHITE people were the first inhabitants of the Americans, thousands of years prior to the first so-called native americans.

The author here seems intent on taking a snap shot of history and building his case, rather than taking the totality of history and stating the facts.

There is absolutely NO DOUBT to anyone who has studied the totality of history that the White Caucasian race are THE Israelites of old.

Futhermore, the Caucasian Race is the ONLY race of people, shown through genetics, (without genetic pollution) to be pure of blood; a commandment of YHWH which, if broken, automatically disqualifies one as HIS chosen RACE.

Articles, like this show poor investigation if not outright deception!

Comment by James

Mr Baker

I will not post you last comment its full of anti Semitic lies

concerning your “crazy comment”

And see the book of Obadiah for what God thinks of jews: “Thou art greatly despised.”

This statement is not referring to the Jews but Edom

concerning Edom :

we are presently in the exile of Edom (Rome) and that we shall have no respite from it until the coming of the Messiah. … The Edomites [the nation around Mount Seir, descended from Esau] were the first to mistakenly follow after the man who claimed that he was the Messiah. They also ascribed godliness to him. When they came to the land of Italy, their error spread to the nearby city of Rome. There in the days of Constantine who ruled over Rome …, the council under the authority of the bishop [of the city] of Rome determined their belief in him and established it [as the religion of the empire]. This, above all else, is the main cause and reason that Rome and Edom are considered as one kingdom although they are different nations. In spite of that [difference], they are related because of their uniformity of belief which makes them one people and one nation. … [The Sages of the Targum] thus explained that Rome is in Grecian Italy and that many of the Edomite people are contained therein. Hence, [Rome] is called “O daughter of Edom,” (Lament. 4:22)

You dont have a clue what you are talking about

you are wound up in a web of lies

here is more truth

THERE ARE THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR LINEAGE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BIBLE FOR SURE !

http://www.davidicdynasty.org/links.php

THIS IS FOR YOU

” The punishment of your iniquity is accomplished, O daughter of Zion; he will no more carry you away into exile; he will visit

your iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will uncover your sins.”

(LAMENTATIONS 4:22)

TURN FROM YOU ERRORS AND HATRED

Comment by godssecret

Why are you addressing your comment to Mr. Baker? He did not make it. And you LIKE ALL JEW-DEO Anti-Christians (and damnable Edomite jews) you will not post my comment precisely because I KNOW what I am talking about. Unlike you, I base my knowledge on true interpretation of scripture, the writings of historians, etymologist and archeologists.

You spew your lies and garbage as you you are some authority. You are a joke, but then what should one expect from the synagogue of SATAN?

Here’s a prophesy that is true and sure: No matter how many lies you THINGS try to pass off, soon, VERY SOON, the true people of Israel (The Anglo-Saxons – the TRUE sons of Isaac and related people) are going to wake up. Indeed, they already are! And Judah shall become a fire and Joseph shall become a flame and ESAU (EDOM – JEWS) will become stubble and we will CRUSH YOU BENEATH OUR FEET!

You cannot stop this, no matter what you try. And no matter what you do, you will be playing into the hands of the Most High.

Praise YHWH!

Comment by James

The Jews are only part of the story. Avraham was an Aramaean, as it is recorded in the Bible. The Aramaeans lived in what was known as Mesopotamia, which included parts of Sumeria and Akkadia. One of the city states of Sumeria was called Ur, which was where Avraham was born. His native language would have probably been Akkadian, the earliest of the Semitic languages which was supplanted Aramaic. God told Avraham to leave his native land and go to Canaan. There, he adopted the Canaanite language, which is where Hebrew descended. Hebrew, which is just a branch of southern Canaanite, has its earliest attestation in the 10th century BCE in the Gezer calendar. This is roughly the time of Saul and David. Prior to this, what we call Hebrew does not appear.

Avraham had children, one of which was Isaac, who in turn had a son named Jacob. Jabob was named Israel, and his children became the tribes of Israel.

After the Israelites finished conquering Canaan, under Solomon, David’s son, the kingdom of Israel was divided, and the Northern tribes from this time on were called House of Israel, or Ephraim, and the Southern Kingdom was called House of Judah. This is where the term “Jew” stems.

Ethnically, the Hebrews were Semites, descending from Shem, and then Aramaeans, descending from Aram. Linguistically, they speak a branch of Canaanite, which though classified as Semitic, is actually Hamitic, being from Canaan the son of Ham the son of Noah. The sons of Noah would have spoken the same language, which could have been Sumerian, which is the oldest language recorded. This was supplanted by Akkadian, which in turn gave birth to all, or most of the other Semitic languages, including Canaanite. Shem and Ham were brothers, and so it is likely they spoke the smae language, which is why there exists a familial relationship between the variuous languages we call “Semitic”.

Linguistically, I would love to see the words which are in native American languages, and see how they relate to the Hebrew, this is only out of curiosity, and not out of disbelief, as I do not know native American languages. I am familiar with all the Canaanite languages, including Ugaritic, as well as the Aramaic and Akkadian. I understand the cognates of htese dialects, and I feel confident that if there exists Hebrew loanwords in the native American languages, I will recognise them.

As for the inscription, I stand by my former opinion on the subject. If a person was literate enough to write this inscription, then they would have also been literate enough not to confuse the letters, as well as clausal order. Anyone writing the decologue today, even from memory, would not makes such a mistake as to write “I am YHWH your deity which brought you out from the land you shall have no other deities before me of Egypt from the house of slaves”.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

You are correct, rocks cannot be dated, they are only classified by the layer in which they are found, or by the petina. In this case, the petina has been destroyed. The only way to determine a date then is by analyzing the inscription linguistically, which is how all such artifacts are dated and classified.

So, the linguistic evidence is all we have, and this must be scrutinized to determine the true date/origin or if it is perhaps a fraud.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

The jews are the FRAUDS as that was written in Palo Hebrew and not the FAKe Hebrew like their terrorist state uses (Yiddish). Jews are Edomites and have nothing to do with the OLD Testament. They admitted to Jesus that they’d “never been in bondage by any man” in John 8:33. They are Canaanite, Edomite FRAUDS! “If a jew’s moving his lips he’s lying and if you see a Rabbi there’s already been a crime.” Wm Finck. God sent OUR King David to kill off the jews 3000 years ago. But Hadad prince of Edom got away.. See First Kings chapter 11.

The “jews” are Satanists and were not Judahites. They were Edomites that God tried to kill off. Antichrist jews ARE “Satan” as they are his physical children from Eve having sex with Satan in the garden See Anderson’s translation of Genesis on Pastor Eli James web site at anglo-saxonisrael.com for more. Or go to my web page at skipbaker.com

Jews are Canaanites plain and simple. They murdered Jesus Christ because He was NOT a jew. And jews are the Edomites and Jesus for sure was NOT an Edomite! Jews control all of your media and networks so have brainwashed you to the point that you know not the truth. Their Mark of The Beast will be installed by 2012 and then the whole world will wake up to their frauds pretending to be us real Semites the Anglo-Saxon Israelites who founded America. What nation did the jews fund? NONE!

They stole fake “Israel” from the Arabs with their lies. They slipped in their Masoretic Text in 900 A.D. as if that was the Old Testament. There are 27,000 mistranslations because of that jewish fraud. The jews are the “Synagogue of Satan” Christ warned us about in Rev. 2:9 and 3:9.

Jews are such great liars the “Christian” Zionists think that they are “God’s Chosen” when they are “the people of my curse to judgment.” See Isaiah 34:5. The Edomites will soon be toast along with John Hagee and everybody who is supporting the antichrist:

http://www.prothink.tv/?cat=16

Skip

Comment by Skip Baker

Paleo Hebrew is simply Hebrew (a Canaanite dialect) written with Phoenician letters, much like any other Semitic language of the Levant, post Ugarit. What people call a Hebrew alphabet today, is simply the Aramaic alphabet, specifically the Royal Aramaic of the Babylonians.

I suppose you have access to the original Paleo Hebrew text which can prove the errors of the Masoretic Text? The MT is confirmed by the evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is also written in the Aramaic Hebrew alphabet, and predates Jesus by at least a century. Then there is the Samaritan Text, which also confirms most of the MT, except for the references to Mt Gerizim. There are some other textual variations, but mainly of grammar, the full spelling versus the defective, which mainly involves vowel letters. We also have the LXX, which is the Greek translation of the Torah, which also confirms the textual reliability of the MT, not to mention the Targums, the Syrian and Arabic etc. The MT was not an edit or revision of the current Text, but was only pointed by the Masoretes. The pointing is the vowelization of the Text. This was done, ,mainly due to the Roman exile, and the fact that most Israelites were beginning to lose their language. Hence the need for proper vowelization for those who could read Hebrew, but not understand it.

Could you please provide me with the original Paleo Hebrew version of the Old Testament from which you derive the MT deviates?

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Canaanite languages were expressed in Cuniform; not Hebrew. Hebrew was a distinct language with its own written expression. The jews try to make the Phoenicians to be Canaanites when nothing could be further from the truth. They were Israelites; first of Judah Zorah and later joined by Dan and Ashur as they expanded Westward to Tyre, Greece, Italy (Rome) and Iberland (Hebrewland which is present day Spain). Later expressions of Israelites were found in BRIT-AIM (Covenant Land) and New Iberland (Ireland – Innasfale – Island of Destiny). This was a prior and separate dispersion than those of Assyrian captivity who went over the Caucasus into Europe.

The sole extent of Canaanites being S[h]emitic are the times that Israelites disobeyed YHWH and intermarried with that seedline of Cain; starting with Esau, whom YHWH hates forever.

YAHshua NOT DOUBT quoted from the Greek O.T. Septuagint as all scripture as quoted in the N.T. match perfectly to that O.T. translation.

Comment by James

Canaanite was expressed in the Ugarit in Cuneiform, however, this same language was written in the Phoenician alphabet, as well as the other Canaanite dialects, which include Moabite, Edomite, and Hebrew, there is not much variation between them. The Mesha Stele is a perfect example of Moabite written in the Phoenician, which is what most call proto-Hebrew. This was written and erected in the 9th century BCE, shortly after the time of David and Solomon.

The LXX was a Greek manuscript, written for the Jews of Alexandria, in the 2nd century BCE, and even the LXX confirms the MT, though there are some variations, they are not of major significance. Among the Israelites, there was never a specific canon of scripture, as is now readily accepted. There were various scrolls of the Old Testament some included other scrolls not present. What came to be known as the Canon, was decided by the Rabbis after the destruction of Jerusalem and their exile. The MT reflects this canon. That there were variations of among the Texts is readily confirmed by the DSS, which shows most(about 60%) of the DSS to be of a proto-Masorete source, and only 5% aligns with the LXX, and proto-Samaritan sources. 10% are non-aligned, meanig they belong to none of the Textual variations.

you stated: “Hebrew was a distinct language with its own written expression”

Actually, Hebrew (no matter in the proto-Hebrew alphabet, or the Aramaic alphabet) is very similar to the Ugarit, which is what you labled as Canaanite, which was written in cuneiform. Aside from conjugation of verbs, and to some extent inflections, and vocabulary there is no difference between Hebrew, Moabite, Edomite, and even Ugarit. In fact, the similarities between Moabite and Hebrew are so close, Gesenius often refers to these similarities in his Grammar. If you wish to challenge me to prove this, I will be more than happy to ablige. I will also ask that you show your view, based upon ancient inscription and texts.

Here is a link to a schema of the Mesha Stele:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Schema_of_the_Mesha_Stele.png

This is written in Moabite, and known Canaanite people, and language. Could you please provide me with the grammatical differences and similarities between this and the proto-Hebrew, and the Biblical Aramaic Hebrew?

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

“The sole extent of Canaanites being S[h]emitic are the times that Israelites disobeyed YHWH and intermarried with that seedline of Cain; starting with Esau, whom YHWH hates forever.”

I hope you are not trying to imply the Canaanites are from Cain? Esau was the son of Avraham and Hagar, and not a descendant of Cain.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Esau married INTO Canaanite tribes. Esau rejected his birthright, which caused his parents more than a little grief I might add. It was not Esau who was of Cain, it was the family into which he married. His progeny became known as Edomites and they are not now; nor will they ever be Israelites of either the House of Judah or the House of Israel.

Canaan married into the Kenites and Kenites were descended from Cain. Cain was not the son of Adam; rather the son of the enchanter, who seduced Eve.

“I see men as trees walking”

Present day jews are a mixture of this “race” along with later intermingling into Japeth (an Adamite), other Israelites (Adamites), Mongols and Turks (who were not Adamites). Jews claim to be of Judah, but they are not. For even Judah’s youngest surviving son, had Judah’s blood in him (and his descendants), but they are automatically disqualified as Israelites or Judahites, by the fact that they were of Cain also! In order for one to be a true Israelite, one must be pure in ALL their generations. (No race mixing allowed!) Rather the present day jews are of the Synagogue (family) of Satan (descended through Cain). This explains why they are behind usury, pornography, women’s liberation, they gay movement, abortion, drugs – you name the illness and I’ll name the damnable jew!

YHWH is the author of what we now know to be genetics, and HIS law was kind after kind. Any breech of this law automatically disqualifies one as an Israelite (or pure Adamite). It is no surprise to me then that the Edomites, who own the mass media, constantly show commercials and programs with mixed race couples (usually a White Adamic woman and a non-Adamic man)

There are many fronts which the Edomites are using to destroy my race, the above being only one. Wars, which they create, are another. Orchestrated famine and financial collapse is another. All of this in an effort to destroy my people. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, BUT that is changing, just as prophesied, and I praise YHWH for that. I also praise YHWH that HE has PROMISED that we will never be forsaken and no matter how hard the “jews” try, they will NEVER destroy us.

The word “jew” is thrown about in order to deceive. The word is Judean and there were Isrealites of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, as well as Edomites along with some other tribal affiliations, living in Judea at the time of Yahshua.

When Yahshua told the Pharisees that they were OF their father, the devil, HE meant it literally! When he said they had murdered every righteous Adamite from ABEL to Zacharius, HE was stating the facts; for these same “jews” descended from CAIN and Cain slew Abel.

Only when one knows what REALLY happened in the Garden of Eden can one rightly divide The Word; knowing when the word “Judean” refers to Judah, Edom or simply a citizen of Judea.

As far as lineage goes, I do not pay attention to one thing a jew says. They are liars like their father. They can jump up and down and scream until their heads pop off; claiming to be from David. I know better. It would be like the Edomites claiming to be from Abraham; and indeed they are, but their descent was through ESAU; not Jacob, to whom the promise belongs. Even the Arabs (who are most closely akin to the Edomite jews) can claim descent from Abraham via Ishmael, but that makes them no more Israelites than the Edomite jews.

Comment by James

Canaan married into the Kenites and Kenites were descended from Cain. Cain was not the son of Adam; rather the son of the enchanter, who seduced Eve.

Neither Arnold Murray, William Branham or Daniel Park knew Hebrew, much less can they prove there was a sexual union between Eve and a serpent.

The Text of Genesis 4 is clear:

והאדם ידע את־חוה אשׁתו ותהר ותלד את־קין ותאמר קניתי אישׁ את־יהוה׃

And the man knew Eve his wife and she conceived and gave birth to Cain and she said: I have created a man with YHWH.

“Knew” in this context is sexual union, much like it is used throughout the Old Testament. It is clear, that the woman conceived only after the union between herself and the man.

Most of the serpent seed theology is based upon the meaning of the words “touch” and “beguiled” in Genesis 3. Neither of these words mean “sexual union”.

Gen. 3:3

ומפרי העץ אשׁר בתוך־הגן אמר אלהים לא תאכלו ממנו ולא תגעו בו פן־תמתון׃

and of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden God said you shall not eat from it, nor touch it lest you die.

The Hebrew naga נגע is used 150 times in the Hebrew text. The next time it is used in Gen is in 12:17

וינגע יהוה את־פרעה נגעים גדלים ואת־ביתו על־דבר שׂרי אשׁת אברם׃

and YHWH touched Pharaoh a great touching and his house because of Sarai Avram’s wife.

So I guess, in reality, reading between the line as you have, YHWH really had great sex with Pharoah and his house? How absurd!

Gen 3:13

ויאמר יהוה אלהים לאשׁה מה־זאת עשׂית ותאמר האשׁה הנחשׁ השׁיאני ואכל׃

And YHWH God said to the woman what is this you have done? and the woman said the serpent beguiled me and I ate.

Beguile in this verse is השׁיאני hashiany, which is in the causative of the verb נשא nasha, and means to deceive, or trick, and never is used to imply a sexual union in all of the 16 times it is used in the Hebrew Text of the Old Testament. This word is not used again until the book of Kings; lets see how it is sued there:

כה תאמרון אל־חזקיהו מלך־יהודה לאמר אל־ישׁאך אלהיך אשׁר אתה בטח בו לאמר לא תנתן ירושׁלם ביד מלך אשׁור׃

So you shall speak to Hezekiah the king of Judah, saying, Do not let your God in whom you trust beguile you, saying, Jerusalem shall not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria. 2 Kin 19:10

I guess here the messengers are saying not to let God have sex with them? Come on!

Even the Greek NT version of this event does not show a sexual union, but a deception, trickery, not to sex, but to eat from a tree which was forbidden:

φοβουμαι δε μηπως ως ο οφις ευαν εξηπατησεν εν τη πανουργια αυτου ουτως φθαρη τα νοηματα υμων απο της απλοτητος της εις τον χριστον

But I fear lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, so your thoughts should be corrupted from the simplicity due to Christ. 1Cor 11:3

The word beguiled in this verse is the verb εξηπατησεν exipatesen from εξπαταω expatao, meaning to decieve, and is used such in all the other 4 places it is used in the NT, i.e: Rom 7:11, 16:18; 1 Co 3:18; and 2 Th 2:3. In no place does it even imply a sexual seduction.

As for your idea that Eve had sex with the serpent, this is not provable by the text of the Hebrew scripture. You only assume it does based upon some fool’s interpretation of Gen 3:15:

ואיבה אשׁית בינך ובין האשׁה ובין זרעך ובין זרעה הוא ישׁופך ראשׁ ואתה תשׁופנו עקב׃

And enmity I will place between you and between the woman between your seed and between her seed, he shall guard against your head, and you shall guarg against his heel.

This is the MT, and I know how much you hate my people and the MT, so I will quote this verse from the LXX, because I know you can not reag the Greek:

καὶ ἔχθραν θήσω ἀνὰ μέσον σου καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τῆς γυναικὸς καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σπέρματός σου καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ σπέρματος αὐτῆς· αὐτός σου τηρήσει κεφαλήν, καὶ σὺ τηρήσεις αὐτοῦ πτέρναν.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed, he shall watch against thy head, and thou shalt watch against his heel.

In thie Greek it uses the words τηρήσει teresei (he shall guard/watch) and τηρήσεις tereseis (you shall guard/watch). This has nothing to do with a prophetic situation in the furture, where any messiah would come and crush the head of satan…lol. It is the Biblical interpretation on the natural phobia betwenn humanity and snakes, and why we all have a natural desire to stamp them out whenever we see them.

The Greek verb teresei is from tereo, and means to keep an eye out for, or be on guard, and is equivalent to the Hebrew shamar, to keep preserve, watch etc.. It is used in the NT in various places, for instance:

και λεγει αυτω πας ανθρωπος πρωτον τον καλον οινον τιθησιν και οταν μεθυσθωσιν τοτε τον ελασσω συ τετηρηκας τον καλον οινον εως αρτι

and said to him, “Every man first sets out the good wine, and when they have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!” John 2:10

In Genesis 3:15, it does not state that the woman and the erpent had a unoin, and their seed were the same, in fact, a female does not carry seed, only the male. Therefore, this verse cannot be stating the woman’s seed, which would have been supplied by the serpent (in your opinion) would hate the same seed provided by the same serpent. On the contrary, it clearly shows the woman’s seed would have hatered to the serpent’s seed, this means the only seed the woman had, would have been Adam’s and not the serpent, as the verse would then be asinine.

ινα μηκετι ωμεν νηπιοι κλυδωνιζομενοι και περιφερομενοι παντι ανεμω της διδασκαλιας εν τη κυβεια των ανθρωπων εν πανουργια προς την μεθοδειαν της πλανης
so that we may no longer be infants, being blown and carried about by every wind of doctrine, in the sleight of men, in craftiness to the deceit of error Eph 4:14

Your assumption, that because the blind man said he saw men like trees walking, that the reference to the tree of the knowlege of good and evil was somehow the serpent is foolish.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Here is the first few line of the Mesha Stele, in Aramaic Hebrew letters, since I cannot reproduce the proto Hebrew on this server:

אנכ משע בן קמש מלך מאב הדבוני אבי מלך על מאב שלשן שנת ואני מלך

I will now write this in Hebrew:

אנכי משע בן קמש מלך מואב הדבוני אבי מלך על מואב שלשן שנת ואני מלך

Can you identify the difference?

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

For those who do not know Hebrew, I will provide this transliteration for you; so that you can see the relation of Moabite to Hebrew:

1) ank msha bn qmsh mlk mab hdbuny aby mlk al mab shlshn shnt wany mlk

2) anky msha bn qmsh mlk moab hdbuny aby mlk al moab shlshln shnt wany mlk

These are consonants only, as vowels were not written. Inflection is learned through the study of grammar, and especially verb conjugation. This is why even in modern times, the Semitic languages such as Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic do not use vowels in written form. This does not meant the vowels are not used in the language, vowels are used for inflection, which can change the meaning of a set of consonants. These are in spoken language only, and not written. Modern Hebrew and Arabic developed a set of symbols which are used to indicate vowel sounds, however for a native speaker these are not necessary.

An example of this from the above is the consonants mlk, which is used 3 times. In the 1st instance the word should be inflected as MeLeK, which is a noun meaning King, while in the last 2 instances these consonants should be inflected as MaLaK, which is a perfect 3rd masculine singular verb meaning “ruled”.

Now I will give the transliteration of the above with inflection (vowelization):

1) anoky mesha ben qemosh melek moab hadebony aby malak al moab shalshelin shanat wa any malak

2) anoky mesha ben qemosh melek moab hadebony aby malak al moab shalshelin shanat wa any malak

Both translate as:

I am Mesha the Debonite son of Qemosh King of Moab my father ruled over Moab for 30 years and I ruled…

In the above, I utilized a Moabite word in the Hebrew text, and also a Hebrew word in the Moabite text. I did this to see who can catch this, and also who really knows these languages to be making claims concerning them.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

It just occured to me, I am debating with people who accuse my people of being frauds. We have preserved the knowledge of Hebrew, and this is proto Hebrew, the language of the Old Testament. While most, not all, who espouse this garbage that you are spewing do not even know Hebrew, whether it be, proto, middle, or modern. If it were not for us, you would have no Bible, Old or New, even Paul of Tarsus admitted:

τι ουν το περισσον του ιουδαιου η τις η ωφελεια της περιτομης πολυ κατα παντα τροπον πρωτον μεν γαρ οτι επιστευθησαν τα λογια του θεου

Then what is the superiority of the Jew? Or what is the advantage of circumcision? Much, by every way! Chiefly, indeed, because they were entrusted with the words of God.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

“The mistranslations caused by the Masoretic Text into English, distort what Paul said totally”

Paul did not speak a word of the Old Testament, aside rom a few verses he quoted. The MT is not responsible for any English mistranslation, this would be the fault of the English translators.

Again, I ask that you provide some proof, mainly in the rogiginal Proto Hebrew scripture, and not to some Greek manuscript. Greek is not even a Semitic language, and the LXX itself is a translation from a Hebrew original, the oldest of which (the DSS) confirms the validity of the MT. Lets not forget that the Qumran community left Jerusalem in protest over the corruption of the Temple, the Priesthood, and the Scriptures. If there was somethig wrong with the common Hebrew Text of the time, surely, they would have not kept this as their main religious text.

As for the holocaust, I have the words of my family, who lived hrough this event, and I need no confirmation from one who does not know an alef from a mem, nor can provide any form of Textual proof for his claims.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Skippy, my boy, you have been owned. First by the half-wit who fed you misinformation about the proper translation of the Bible. Then by those who scrubbed your brain clean of all sense, replacing it with the garbage you’ve shared here. And again by a real expert in the history of Biblical translation, Judaism, linguistics, and the holocaust (which, unless you’re calling my grandparents liars, did occur).

If this isn’t enough to convince you of your errors, then nothing will do it except the wrath of God. You’re obviously not Jewish, or this conversation wouldn’t be happening. If you’re a Christian, then you should treat your enemies (even the make-believe ones) with tolerance and love. If you’re not a Christian, then you are just a lost soul spewing whatever worthless drivel has convinced your weak mind of your racial superiority.

Now confronted with the facts, with an expert like Yaaqov Ben Yisrael to back them up, you’ll come up quite short of a win here.

Comment by @@ron

Skip,

Do you realize you are speaking about something you to which really have no clue?

Adam does not mean to show red in the face…laughing out loud! The Text of Genesis gives you the meaning of this word;

וייצר יהוה אלהים את־האדם עפר מן־האדמה ויפח באפיו נשׁמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפשׁ חיה׃

And YHWH God formed the man (adam) from the dust of the ground (adamah) and breathed into his nostril the breath of life and the man (adam) became a living person.

The Hebrew word for “ground” is adamah, which is a feminine word indicated by the feminine “ah” ending. In order to make it masculine, the feminine ending must be dropped, hence you have adam, which is simply the masculine form of ground. Adam means ground, from which he was made.

The word adam also means red, as a color. Hence it is used as a color description of dirt, bovine, skins, etc. A variant of this is edom, spelled the same, only inflected differently. Edom was the red stew that Jacob prepared for Esau, which is why Esau was called Edom.

If your claim is that the word meant to be red faced, which it doesnt, to which you make the leap that it must be “white people”, then when this same color is used from the bovine, the skins, the rams, and the dirt, etc. it must also be understood that it is really “red faced white people”. You’re a joke.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Considering Genesis 4:1, the LXX has it as:

Αδαμ δὲ ἔγνω Ευαν τὴν γυναῖκα αὐτοῦ, καὶ συλλαβοῦσα ἔτεκεν τὸν Καιν καὶ εἶπεν Ἐκτησάμην ἄνθρωπον διὰ τοῦ θεοῦ.

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and gave birth to Kain and she said, I have aquired a man through God.

The Greek δια dia when used with the genitive, as it clearly is with του θεου tou Theou, as you can tell by the ου-ou genitive case ending on both the article and the noun, means through, or by means of. This means that it was by the means and through the power, or blessing of God that Eve conceived and gave birth to her son Cain.

How then can it be considered that Cain was a result of a sinful romp in the garden with a serpent?

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Get Anderson’s translation that actually makes it clear that Cain was fathered by Satan. Like the woman in Texas who had twins, one black and one white. She’d had sex with two men within 3 hours and DNA tests proved who each father was. Nobody today after 911 would ever trust a jew to provide any truth at all. With 27,000 mistranslations in the KJV caused by lying jews, one has to go back to the scriptures with nothing to do with jews. After they are pretending to be us. There is no truth in them because they are sons of Satan and the SynaGOG of Satan. As Christ said: “Ye are OF your father the devil.” And the book of John tells us the jews are the antichrist. When Adam was created Yahweh breathed the breath of life into him and the white race was created. The jews have this to say:

“We shall instigate economic and military wars between the Goyim states. When wars are over both sides are devastated and at the mercy of our international finance. This is the “Jewish Harvest.” First, we manufacture the huge war machines. Second we destroy the flower of White Manhood thereby weakening the racial stamina of the Goyim. Third, the White nations are prostrate under huge debts and we profit interest upon interest.” Protocol Two.

Jews are Satan’s little children, his sons! Jews want to kill off the White Race because Whites are sons of God, and jews are sons of the Devil, just like Jesus said. They murdered all the prophets because the jews aren’t Israelites, and Jesus was not a jew from Idumea or Edom. Jesus was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah, and jews can’t “join” Judah as they thought they were in 125 B.C. when OUR King John Hyrcanus defeated them in Idumea. So jews have murdered two King Johns in that they also murdered John Kennedy in 1963. Your impersonation of True Israel is over as well as your fake Holocaust lies. Revelation 18 tells us what is about to happen to the terrorist state of fake “Israel” soon.

Comment by Skip Baker

You said “Get Anderson’s translation that actually makes it clear that Cain was fathered by Satan.”

I dont need Anderson’s translation, nor any other’s, I am able to read the Greek, the Hebrew, the Aramaic, the Arabic, and have no need for another’s opinion of what the Scriptures are saying, unlike you, who rely upon other people to form opinions for you.

I have the LXX, the MT, the ST, the Targumim and can see for myself what they say or not.

LXX Αδαμ δὲ ἔγνω Ευαν τὴν γυναῖκα αὐτοῦ, καὶ συλλαβοῦσα ἔτεκεν τὸν Καιν καὶ εἶπεν Ἐκτησάμην ἄνθρωπον διὰ τοῦ θεοῦ

Now Aam knew Eve his wife and she conceived and gave birth to Cain and said I have aquired a man through God

Mt והאדם ידע את־חוה אשׁתו ותהר ותלד את־קין ותאמר קניתי אישׁ את־יהוה׃

And Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived and gave birth to Cain and said I have aquired a man with God

ST והאדם ידע את־חוה אשׁתו ותהר ותלד את־קין ותאמר קניתי אישׁ את־יהוה׃

And Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived and gave birth to Cain and said I have aquired a man with God

TO וְאָדָם יְדַע יָת חַוָה אִיתְתֵיה וְעַדִיאַת וִילֵידַת יָת
קָיִן וַאֲמַרַת קְנֵיתִי גַברָא מִן קְדָם יוי׃

And Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived and gave birth to Cain and said I have aquired a man in the presence of God

TP וְאָדָם יְדַע יָת חַוָה אִיתְתֵיה וְעַדִיאַת וִילֵידַת יָת
קָיִן וַאֲמַרַת קְנֵיתִי גַברָא מִן קְדָם יוי׃

And Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived and gave birth to Cain and said I have aquired a man in the presence of God

It is very clear to me, that Cain was the offspring of Adam and Eve, in the presence, and by means of God.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Skip,

I bet you still believe the sun rises and sets, that the world is flat, and oh yes, an ostrich really burries its head in the sand.

The only reason those pagan Europeans Celts even have the Bible, is because of the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic manuscripts which were utilized to translate them to the various European languages. Aside from the Raetic peoples there is absolutely no link between the European languages and the Semitic languages, especially Hebrew; aside from a few loanwords here and there.

I ask that you provide proof that there is a linguistic connection between the European languages and the Semitic ones, which I dont think you will accomplish. Much like those who insist the Native Americans are somehow a lost branch of Israelites, yet provide no proof of any linguistic link. My poeple have been exiled for over a thousand years, and in various places in the world, yet we all retain the Hebrew language as a spoken language; and a link to each other. The Europeans tribes are not the Hebrews.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

You are right on Yaaqov

there are antisemitic racists

that dont even know Hebrew and they

are just looking for a way to to attack the Jews on what ever

and even stanger they claim to be Hebrews based on Nothing but nonsense

They have such hatred

they need some help

Comment by godssecret

Skip,

That link to anglo-saxon.com is a site for real estate, and is run by a company known as Anglo Saxon, which handles property in Israel.

In the “about us” link it says:

אנגלו-סכסון הוקמה בשנת 1964 ע”י דייב בלומברג ז”ל. רשת אנגלו-סכסון מונה כ-70 סניפים הפרושים בכל רחבי הארץ

Anglo-Saxon was established in 1964 by the late Dave Blumberg. Anglo-Saxon network comprised about 60 branches, spread throughout Israel.

Eli James is just as much an idiot as you, if you believe this nonesense. He basis his main objections on the fact that the “Jews” do not accept Jesus as their messiah as proof the Jews are not Judah nor of Israel. What a load of crap. Not many people even know who the first messiah is mentioned in the Old Testament, nor what role he played, nor even do most of you even understand how one becomes a messiah.

If you believe your NT, then you also believe that Jesus was from the line of Judah, specifically through the lineages listed in Mt and Lk. If this is correct, then there is no way that Jesus could be the Judahite messiah, as he was descended from Jeconiah, Shealtiel and Zerubabel. Dont you know the prophecy Isah spoke concerning Jeconiah?

כה אמר יהוה כתבו את־האישׁ הזה ערירי גבר לא־יצלח בימיו כי לא יצלח מזרעו אישׁ ישׁב על־כסא דוד ומשׁל עוד ביהודה׃

So says YHWH, Write this man childless, a man who will not prosper in his days. For no man from his seed will succeed sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah Jer. 22:30

None from this line ever sat upon the throne of David, infact Zerubabel was only a governor appointed by the King of Persia. There were no kings from this line after Jeconiah from the line of David.

John Hyrcannus was a Levite imposter, and no King from the House of David. Jesus, if he were from Jeconiah, Shealtiel and Zerubabel as the NT shows, is debarred from the throne of David, as Jeremiah says.

However, Jesus was not from this line, he was Levite, through his mother, who was from the priestly class, and not from the royal line of David, which the gospels also proves.

At not time in any of the gospels of the NT was Jesus ever anointed king or high priest over Israel, nor did he allow his disciples to proclaim him as such. Therefore, he could not be messiah, which means anointed with the holy anointing oil, which was also only to be possessed by the priest, according to the law. So if Jesus was never anointed, how can you claim him to be messiah (anointed)?

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

If what you are claiming is true, why then do you gather all of your theology from the Old Testament, which is written in Hebrew, and has been preserved by my people. Where is this same collection of scripture as passed down by the so called Caucasian Israelites? Are there any Runic inscriptions of the decologue? Are there any grafiti which support the claim that the Saxons are indeed the sons of Isaac?

According to the Roman histories, the Saxons were a pagan germanic tribe, which worshipped idols, and also such deities as Woden, Thor, Frigga, etc. This is where the Anglo-Saxon pagan names of the week days come from. They only converted to Christianity late in the 7th century, thanks to the efforts of the Jutes of Kent, a Germanic tribe from Jutland.

It is a fact of history, that there never was a connection between the Anglo-Saxon_Germanic tribes and Israel, either linguistically, nor culturally, and you would not have ever even heard of the Old Testament, had it not been for the efforts of the Roman Church, which was responsible for the subjugation and conversion of the Cetic/Germanic peoples of Europe.

Yet you have the stones to say in the 21st century, that it was these pagan tribes who were really the Israelites? And utilize the scriptures which have been preserved by my people to condemn us? What a travesty!

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

How can the ark be found? According to Jeremiah, it will never again be visited!

Many who look at these verses claim that there is to be another covenant of Laws given to Israel in the latter days. However, YHWH is speaking about something different. He first says He will cut a New Covenant with Israel and Judah, He then explains this is not a covenant like the ones He cut with our fathers is Sinai. So what is the New Covenant? He says:

But this is the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel:( After those days, declares YHWH, I will put My Torah in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they shall no longer each man teach his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, Know YHWH. For they shall all know Me, from the least of them even to the greatest of them, declares YHWH. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more. So says YHWH, who gives the sun for a light by day, the laws of the moon, and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar, YHWH of Hosts is His name. If these ordinances depart from before Me, says YHWH, the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever.)

3 things here, 1) This covenant is only for Israel and Judah, 2) He doesnt say the Torah changes, but that He writes it upon their hearts in lieu of Stone Tablets, which are gone. 3) The promise that Israel will then be a nation forever before YHWH

At the time of this prophecy, the northern tribes had already been removed to their captivity, and the southern tribes were entering into their first captivity. There was a saying going round that YHWH had cast off Israel, and the seed of Levi and David. This prophecy coincides with the one mentioned later:

Behold, the days come, says YHWH, that I will fulfill the good thing which I have promised to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days, and at that time, I will cause a Branch of Righteousness to grow up to David. And He shall do judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days Judah shall be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell in safety. And this is the name that shall be called on her: YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. For so says YHWH, Not a man sitting on the throne of the house of Israel will be cut off to David. And for the Levitical priests, they shall not have a man cut off before Me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle food offerings, and to do sacrifice continually. And the Word of YHWH was to Jeremiah, saying, So says YHWH, If you can break My covenant of the day, and My covenant of the night, and there should not be day and night in their time, My covenant with My servant David may also be broken, that he should not have a son to reign on his throne, and with the Levitical priests, My ministers As the host of the heavens cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so I will multiply the seed of My servant David, and the Levites who minister to Me. And the Word of YHWH was to Jeremiah, saying, Have you not observed what these people have spoken, saying, The two families that YHWH has chosen, He has also rejected them? And they despise My people, no more to be a nation before them. So says YHWH, If My covenant is not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of the heavens and earth, then I also will reject the seed of Jacob, and My servant David, not to take of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For I will bring back their captivity and have pity on them. Jer 33:14-26

These prophecies coincide with those of Ezekiel, which begin in chapter 36 ending in chapter 48. Israel was to go into a long captivity, not the one in Babylon which only lasted 70 years, but the longest one, which they are in the process of ending now. We know this because these prophetical statements also concern a time when Israel will be gathered from the nations they were exiled to, and Ephraim and Judah will be united again, and the temple will be rebuilt, and then the war of Gog and Magog will happen. This is still yet to happen.

In Ez 37 we see the beginning part of the prophecy of the returning exiles, yet they will be an unrighteous peoples, not repentant, as it is shown the people will not have the spirit of YHWH in them. The second part to this, is YHWH will pour out His spirit upon them, and they shall reconcile the tribes, and choose a righteous leader, then the temple will be rebuilt. At this time certain nations will come to destroy the future righteous kingdom of Israel (this in not the current regime in Israel today), and YHWH will rain fire from the heavens upon them. He says this will show the world once and for all that Israel is His possession. Ex 39:21-29

Beginning in chapter 40 till the end we see the new temple and it services which will be reestablished. Most is according to the Sinaitic covenant, however, the ark will no longer be part of the service, as the purpose of the ark was to possess the Stone Tablets. Seeing there will no longer be a need for these (the Torah now being written upon their hearts); there will be no more use for the ark. Jeremiah speaks of this:

And it will be, when you multiply and increase in the land in those days, says YHWH, they will no longer say, The ark of the covenant of YHWH! Nor shall it come to the heart, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they miss it, nor shall it be made any more. At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of YHWH. And all nations (of Israel) shall be gathered to it, to the name of YHWH, to Jerusalem. And they shall not walk any more after the stubbornness of their evil heart. Jer 3:16-17 (emphasis mine)

So this is not speaking about a new Torah, or new Law, but of the same Torah which will be written upon their hearts in lieu of the Tablets.

It is always best to leave prophetic statements in their context, and not remove one or two verses. Understanding the context is the key to understanding prophetic statements. Christians do this a lot in their polemics, they take one or two lines of a Text and try to make it say something which is not in line with the original context, or meaning of the verses.

Comment by Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

BS”D

Shalom,

Great work Yaaqov.

All you have done on this thread is very nice.

I think though that it is possible that in the beginning of the

messianic revelation that the Ark could return to the Holy place

as it is written in Ezekial concerning the 3rd temple :

“And he measureth its length twenty cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits, unto the front of the temple, and he saith unto me, This is the holy of holies.’”

It is not unlikely that the Ark will be revealed again and returned to its place.

Rav Getz of Bait Ael said it in “Ruach HaKodesh” that he was close to it when he and Rav Darsi were digging in the place they called “The Cave” in the Kotel Tunnels, when the riot occurred.

God willing we will live to see what will be.

As Rambam makes known, No one knows exactly how all this will unfold.

It seems like that the “He writes it upon their hearts”

May come to pass at a later phase of the Days of Mashiach

but the sooner the better, God willing !

Comment by godssecret

Paleo-Hebrew is REAL Hebrew, not that fake Hebrew they speak in fake “ISrael.” The first jew occurred in 125 BC after the Edomites were defeated in Idumea by OUR King John Hyrcanus II. No lying jew is a Hebrew, or an Israelite, not a Semite. Semite just means White Person. That stone in America proves that we real Hebrews (Israelites) were here long before the others went to Babylon, and all that happened over 500 years before the first jew happened. Just look at how the jew owned media in America is still telling you that 19 Arabs with box cutters blew up the World Trade Center in 2001 when they did it themselves. They are the seed of the Devil exactly the way Christ said they are in John 8:44 so they are supposed to lie like their father the devil.

Comment by Skip Baker

Skip,

I would like to thank you for you participation in these scholarly discussions. You remind me of why I am so greatful having taken the time to actually learn the ancient Hebrew languages, and the Blessings which are attained through this knowledge.

Yaaqov ben Yisrael

Comment by Yaaqov ben Yisrael

I have been looking into this dispute about the truth behind the name of God… and found that YHWH is also a reference to the God Metatron.
here is what is quoted .
Angel of Wisdom-Zagzagel;also Metatron (when Metatron goes under the name of Sasnigiel);also Dina (when Dina goes under the the name of Yefefiah or Yofiel). According to legend, Zagzagel was ordered by God to carry Moses to a place where myriads of scholars congregated , all of them occupied with expounding the Torah. [Rf. Scholem, Jewish Gnosticism, Merkabah Mysticism, and Talmuddic Tradition .
Here is another .
Metatron (Metratton,Mittron, Metaraon, Merraton,etc.)-in non noncanonical writings ,Metatron is perhaps the greatest of all the heavenly hierarchs,the 1st(also the last) of the ten archangels of the Briatic world.He has been called King of angels,prince of the divine face or presence. chancellor of Heaven, angel of the covenant,chief of the ministering angels, and the lesser YHWH (the tetragrammaaton);. He is charged with the sustenance of mankind . In the Talmud and Targum. Metatron is the link between the human and the divine.In his earthly incarnation he was the patriarch Enoch-although Tanhuna Genesis [Rf Jewish Encyclopedia 1.94] claims he was originally Michael. Talmudic authorities for the most part shy away from identifying Enoch with Metatron;on the contrary, the tendency is to play down the relationship and even suppress it. In a curious tale of the marriage of God and Earth(Elohim and Edem), told in the Alphabet of Ben Sira , God demands from earth the “loan”of Adam for 1,000 years. Upon earth agreeing to the loan ,God writes out a formal receipt, and this is witnessed by the archangels Michael and Gabreil.
The receipt the story goes,is on deposit”to this day”in the archives of Metatron, the heavenly scribe,Metatron has been variously identified as the dark angel who wrestled with Jacob at Peniel(Genesis 32);as the watchman is”Watchman, what of the night?”(Isaiah 21);as the Logos;as Uriel; and even as the evil Sammael.It is said that Exodus 23;20 refers to Metatron;”Behold ,Isend an angel before thee, to keep thee in the way and to bring thee unto the place which i have prepared”(usually applied to John the Baptist).and Exodus 23;22 My name is in him.”In addition ,Metatron has been identified as the Liberating Angel and the Shekinah (who is regarded in some sources as Metatron in his female aspect;in Trachtenberg, Jewish Magic and superstition (pg 76),he is the “demiurge of the classical Jewish mysticism.”According to the cabala, Metatron is the angel who led the children of Israel through the wilderness after the Exodus ;in other occult writings he is described as the twin brother of half-brother of the angel Sandaphon(of.the twin brothers Ormuzd and Ahriman in Zoroastrian lore).With the possible exception of Anafeil(q.v.).Metatron is the tallest angel in Heaven , and the greatest ,apart from the “eight great princes, the honored and revered ones ,who are called YHWH by the name of their King.”This is according to Enoch. Jewish legend relates that upon Metatron (while still Enoch,a mortal)arriving in Heaven ,he was transformed into a spirit of fire and equipped with 36 pairs of wings as well as innumerable eyes.Metatron originated in Jewish circles and “should be regarded as a pure Jewish invention ,viz; a metonym for the term little YHWH,”
I will post the rest later on tonight.

Comment by tim

Matto”t is not Yhv”h but only one of his servants. Under him are 70.

You can read all about Matto”t here
http://godssecret.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/matto%E2%80%9Dt-the-angel-mattatro%E2%80%9Dn/

Comment by godssecret

Second part.
The meaning of the name Metatron has never been satisfactorily explained . Eleazor of Worms thought it derived from the Latin metator,a guide or measurer .Hugo Odeberg advanced the hypothesis (3 Enoch,append.2.)that the name Metatron originated in Jewish invention, viz,a metonym for the term ‘little YHWH;”Odeburg is inclined to interpret the name as meaning”one who occupies the throne next to the divine throne.”Accordingly Metatron is said to reside in the seventh heaven (the dwelling place of God).He appears, when invoked ,”as a pillar of fire, his face more dazzling than the sun,”Gershom Scholem ,on the basis of the Apocalypse of Abraham,believes the name might be a “vox mystica”for Yahoel (ie.,God).
Metatron has also been identified as Isaiah’s suffering servant,the Messiah of Christian theology;but see Orlinsky,”The So Called ‘Suffering Servant’in Isaiah 53,”The 72 names of God find a match in the 72(and more)names of Metatron-Surya,Tatriel,Sasnigiel,Lad,Yofiel,to mention a few.Metatron has also been credited with the authorship of Psalms 37;25 according to the Talmud Yebamoth16b;and the authorship,in part,of Isaiah24;16. In the Zoharl,Metatron is spoken of as Moses’rod,from one side of which comes life and the other death,”In Eisenmenger,Traditions of the Jews11,408,Metatron is indeed the supreme angel of death, to whom God daily gives orders as to the souls to be”taken”that day.These orders Metatron transmits to his subordinates Gabriel and Sammael,That Metatron was considered ,at least in some sources ,mightier than either Michael or Gabriel is the view expressed in the Chronicles of Jerameel.Here the story goes that whereas neither of the two great Biblical angels was able to eject Jannes and Janbres, the Egyptian wizards,from Heaven (whither they managed , it seems,to asend by (witchcraft),Metatron was able to accomplish their expulsion In Yalkut Hadash, also Metatron is said to be “appointed over Michael and Gabriel ,”As for the size or height of Metatron ,The Zohar computes it to be “equal to the breadth of the whole world ,”
Part three later on .

Comment by tim

Thank you for this Matto”t info

I hope you looked at the link on Matto”t I gave you

Its from many years of research

Comment by godssecret

Imagine chiseling something- even if you know it well, into stone. You are concertinaing on making your ‘marks’ correctly, as you copy the text.
I am 60 yrs old and make mistakes that I didn’t 5 years ago when typing. Often- as my hands are typing ‘this word’- my brain is already thinking of the next words.
So- to me the fact that a line was omitted and then later added does not make me consider this a hoax! A carefully copied hoax can seem ‘perfect’.
I live in the south- my speech & accent is different from a New Englander- even though we speak the same Language.
I am LDS and Believe in the Book of Mormon.
Perhaps this was chiseled by someone that knows the Hebrew Language, as the descendant of those that left the Middle East many years earlier- so some differences would be normal, as the language is handed down!
Color or colour- both have the same meaning.

Comment by F Michael Faulkner

Hello Michael,

Today, with the advent of type and computer technologies, it is easy for typographical errors, mistakes in spelling and grammar. This is because of the fast pace used in typing. Even in writing, since the invention of pencil and paper we can expect the same sort of thing. However, when it comes to engraving, I find it difficult that the person engraving would be in such a hurry as to make such mistakes as are found in the above inscriptions. I could even overlook a mispelled word, but a whole verse out of place? Did he not know what he was writing? From these mistakes it makes me suspect that the person did not know Hebrew, nor the script in which he was engraving.

This sort of thing always makes very suspicious when trying to confirm an early date or grant credence to authenticity.

Yaaqov ben Yisrael

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Funny thing is that much of this corresponds with the Book of Mormon. Please take the time to read it and you will discover how the Israelites got here. The dates of their different excursions from the old country correlate directly with the dates estimated on these discoveries. It is amazing how accurate the Book of Mormon is and how people continue to discount what we have known for quite some time now.

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It will come as a great shock and surprise if I ever, in this life or the next, learn from any authoritative source that there is one ounce of validity in the book of mormon or in the entire belief system connected with it masquerading as a ‘religion’. Joseph Smith was known as a practical joker who crafted elaborate ‘jokes’ on his family and others in his sphere of influence. I tend to believe what my good friend and scholar, whose name I will withhold, says – that the whole ‘religion’, book of mormon and all, is his most elaborate practical joke, and that all who fall for it are morons. I can’t help but notice that his ‘archangel’ (whatever) bears the name ‘moroni’. Coincidence? I doubt it. I think it was how Smith himself classed all who fall for it as ‘morons’. Berate and denounce me all you want. I won’t even respond to your attacks which I anticipate.

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Shalom..Iam Native American born out from the Potawatomi tribe,known as the keepers of the sacred fire.Afew years agoe I came into the knowledge by divine revelation from G-d that native americans where in fact ancient Israelis who were apart of the ten lost northern tribes of Israel G-d scattered throughout the four corners of the earth,for defiling his holy commandments,during King Jereoboam,s reign.Who was at enmity with the southern tribes of Judah,Benjamin and the Priesthood(1 kings 12:26-43)(1 kings 12:19)(Lev.26:14-46) (Ezek.6-8-9)(Zech.7:8-14)This message is now returning back to in this last generation.

Comment by Bert Ritchie

Wow, Folks, this has been a great discussion! I admire those who are willing to seek with true honesty and diligence. My take on the whole thing? I believe that God is totally able to keep His Word intact and that His Word will not return void. It is the Holy Spirit that provides revelation of such matters, so pray in the Spirit continually and it will be revealed to you. As far as the hebrews being in N America and becoming the “Aboriginal” peoples known as American indians is a great possibility evidenced by similarity of traditions between hebrews and native cultures. there is too much evidence for me to dispute.I would also be prone to believe that many races from Europe and Asia also settled and formed tribes throughout the continents of North and South America. Since it was prophesied that the Jews would return to the land of Israel, (dry bones) especially on the wings of eagles, (the name of the airlines performing the task) I believe these returning peoples are in fact those very Jews prophesied about. Since Abraham was told that His seed would be as the sands of the sea , I suspect that there are far more people of jewish decent on planet earth than we anticipate. Many of those being of Aboriginal descent. I have listened to prophesies that the Native Americans will be the peoples resposible for starting the great revival of the last days when God pours out His Spirit upon all flesh (The Harvest). What better people could God use than revived long lost sons and daughters of Zion? There are many tribes in British Coumbia and the Eastern Seaboard of Canada that are seeing revival right now where whole towns have turned from alcoholicly devastated dens of iniquity, to florishing happy communities in short time. Miraculous change! As far as the “Seed of the Serpent” goes, I believe that these are the beings known as the Nephilim. The hybrid race between the Sons of God and the Daughters of Men. They were created to try and foul the bloodlines leading to the Messiah. This was the main reason for the flood. A lot of people do not realise the great difference between the pre-flood and post-flood environments. Evidence shows that water levels went down below current levels at the time before the melting of the continental ice mass, exposing land forms now under water. Thus comes stories of Atlantis and the Allutian “bar”. During those times it would have been easier to make a trans-continental crossing. I could go on and on. I believe that one day we are going to realize that every breath we take is counted, everything that ever happened and is going to happen, down to the last bugbite is within the control of a great and mighty God who does not hide himself but waits for us to come to Him that He might show us His awesome love and mercy towards us. Whether Jew or Gentile, we remain the apple of his eye. He adores us, don’t ask me why.

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Comment by godssecret

I’m half native (mix between mostly potawatomi and oddawa) and I’ve seen quite a bit of blogs and websites speak about the mtdna haplogroup x. As far as I’ve seen it stems mostly from my people (well as far as it being a native haplogroup). I’m not sure if that makes us Israelites or not. We did practice the seperation of women during menstruation from the wigwam. Also during marriages the bride and groom take time to go into a small lodge built for them which I’ve heard is similar to a practice Jews maintain.

Comment by Sam

You are correct

There is much in common beyond coincidence

Comment by godssecret

In the Torah it speaks about how many Isrealites left Egypt in the exodus and it also speaks about how many others left with them?(Ex.12:37-38)A mixed multitude had also tagged along with them as will.Sam we are living in the transitioning of what the church dos,nt appear too notice a whole knew different movement by Yahveh G-d,presently he is searching out his ancient covenant people,the lost ten tribes, he scattered during King Jeroboam,s reign and, as Northern kingdom of Isreal he led unfortunately the ten northern tribes into apostasy causing G-d to scatter them into the four corners of the earth.A prophetic word of knowledge The tribe of Judah was an entity by himself ,The tribe of Benjamin always followed his older brother Judah wereever he went his younger brother tagged along with his older brother Judah.Isreal on the other hand made up the ten nothern tribes of Isreal.In the book of Ezekel 37:15-28 the prophecy of the two sticks are coming together in our lifetime be prepared lost tribes G-d is calling you out…

Comment by bertritchie

Among other things my Brothers,these lost tribes that Yah scattered amongst the Nations are referred too as “Ephraim” “Joseph” or “The House Of Israel”By faith are spirits agree but my DNA can not and will not match up with The Tribe of Judah also referred to as “Jews”.We are not gentiles?we are natural ancient born Israelites.LOST…In the book of Hosea 7:8 …Ephraim,he hath mixed himself among the people;Ephraim is a cake not turned. In other words if you excepted Yeshua,Jesus as your and Savior into your heart,you have also excepted the fact that Yeshua,Jesus was a Jew Born of the Tribe of Judah who kept the faith in the Law of his G-d.You must take the next step keep the faith in the law of Mose.just as he did,you are bout cooked on the one side faith in Jeshua,Jesus his death,three days 72Hrs in the grave,his resurrection,but you are lackling the Law.

Comment by Bertritchie

I have been looking intently at the Decologue Stones of Ohio which are pictured above. I know two things from my examination; 1) it is not written in Block Hebrew; it is written in a script which seems to be based upon Etruscan, or Raetic mixed with Lepontic. The inscription does not even resemble Block Hebrew. 2) there are several mistakes in the text which seem oddly out of place.

The Etruscans were the people living in Italy prior to the Romans; the Raetians lived in the Upper Alps. The script of both languages come from the Phoenician alphabet. The Lepontic gave rise to the Runes. The Lepontic inscriptions are the oldest known writings of the Celtic languages.

To see an example of Etruscan click the following link:
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/etruscan.htm

To see an example of Raetic click the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Italic_alphabet#Raetic_alphabets

The first mistake I found was in the use of the Daleth for the Waw in the first verse in the word הוצאתיך hutseitikha. Next we have another mistake in verse 8 where the Qof is missing in לקדשו leqadesho.

The first mistake seems out of place namely because of the nature of the difference between the Daleth and Waw. Both letters are used extensively in the inscription. This means, at least to me, the person writing the inscription did not know the language or the letters he used to carve it out. No person would write הדצאתיך hudtseitikha for הוצאתיך hutseitikha knowingly. Neither would לקדשו leqadesho be written לדשו ledashu knowingly. Both mistakes render the verbs meaningless and anyone knowing this would recognize it.

These are similar mistakes which are found in the Los Lunas inscription. In the case of the latter, not only do we have simple mispellings, but we have entire verses out of place.

It was well documented by early historians that the Etruscans got their alphabet from the Phoenicians and also the Raetians from the Etruscans. Though Phoenician may have been rediscovered rather later than the discoveries of these inscriptions, the Etruscan, Raetic and Lepontic alphabets were well known and were recorded even into the early 20th century; therefore it is not out of the realm of possibility that the inscription was made by one who had knowledge of the Raetic and Etruscans who hoped to provide a Phoenician look to the inscription. But I will also admit that it is also just as possible it was written by a Hebrew who forgot his language or simply made a mistake of the hand.

It is also very suspicious that the inscriptions were found in places the Mormons dwelled. Ohio was their first refuge from persecution and New Mexico was where the Mormon Battalion was sent.

Yaaqov Ben Yisrael

Comment by Yaaqov ben Yisrael

Very good analysis

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I would have to say this to all people nations tongues when Jeshua came to Jerusalem walking through it on the very soil my Yetish brothers walk on today around 30A.D.he came searching for the Jews first and I mind you the Jews refer to one entity the southern tribe Judah and Benjamin the youngest son of Yacob/Jacob Their is absolutely nothing wrong at what they are doing today infact they are the keepers of that precious holy covenant and they are doing what they are suppose to do with it somehow the church don,t seem to get it ?(Gen.49:10)…The sceptre shall not depart from JUDAH,nor a lawgiver from between his feet,until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be…..(Psalm 60:7)…Gilead is mine,and Manassaeh is mine:Ephraim also is the strength of mine head;JUDAH IS MY LAWGIVER;………according to Romans gifts and calling is a gift from Yaveh G-d that cannot be changed?…(Romans 11:29)…For the gifts and calling of G-d are without repentance…..Yes they haven,t received their messiah Jeshua as of yet but they will.G-d bless you all.Bert!

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Shalom! my brothers it sure has been some time since replying my messages back to you all,for give me…Iam aware of the ohio stones they found inside an ancient Native American burial ground back in the early 1800,s,however does anyone have any info.about Chief Josephs medallion he had on his possession that contained ancient Hebrew writings on it? evidently,he told the American congress that his medallion was handled down too him by his Father,and Fathers,Father and soforth…Any comments or Info.please write and let me know.Shalom..

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There is a wall 4,000 years old, 700 ft long, and 15 ft. high that has paleo Hebrew on it. An arceologist came out and stated that the writings were paleo Hebrew, and it was from the pre Cherokee era. It is on my family’s land, the Hooper farm/Larry Hooper Jr. on Eureka, Rd, Cleveland, TN area. It can be seen only by asking Larry Hooper Jr. Article was in 1929 Chattanooga Times Free Press. My family is on the Lee registry of the Cherokee nation, and this area where the wall is located was the Aimohee District of the Cherokee nation pre trail of tears.
It reminds me of the minister Jack Hayford’s story of being on an air plane, and God telling him to speak in tongues to the man sitting next to him on the plane. He does, and when he is finished this stranger tells Jack Hayford that he is an archeologist that has studied a tribe around North Oregon. The archeologist told him him that he was speaking a dead Native American language, and interpreted was that they followed a ball of fire by day and a light by night. Scripture from Exodus. Knowing that there is biological proof of Native Americans being of Hebrew decent is interesting. The Cherokees worshipped only one God, calling Him Ya he way, sounds like YHWY thename of the God of the Jews. http://godssecret.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/oldest-known-10-commandments-is-in-america-in-ancient-hebrew-script-from-time-of-king-solomon/

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CHEROKEE PHOENIX AND INDIANS’ ADVOCATE
Wednesday, April 29, 1829
Vol. II, no. 7
Page 2 col. 5a-
Page 3 col. 1b

“The Cherokees have only two names of God, one of which, (5 Cherokee letters) U-ne-la-nv-hi, signifies the Creator, and the other (6 Cherokee letters) Ga-lv-la-ti c-hi, he who dwells above.

So “Ya he way” was probably introduced later.

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I found the link to this page and came and enjoyed the whole article & pictures and such & have sent many of my friends to view it & nearly every one of them has responded telling me that Google kicked them off this page – due to a Worm error and they weren’t able to enjoy the page as I have been.

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Comment by horuspineal

This is very interesting to me because I KNOW that God sent groups of people to this continent hundreds of years before Christ walked the earth. I know this because I believe the Book of Mormon to be truth. I urge you to read it. Even if you only read it to compare your own findings to what is written. Read it with a grain of salt if you want but I think you would really appreciate what it has to say about ancient peoples who lived in what is now North America. Who built great cities and who had amazing battles. Who had sailed across the ocean guided by the hand of God. Who had brought with them, written upon metal plates, and who taught their posterity for generation upon generation, the teachings of Moses.

Comment by dalainajoe

G-d bless you Delainajoe,Almighy Yahweh knows who are his people,I personally know a friend who in-fact reads out of the Morman book and it is quite interesting.However,I personally prefer the first and second testament 1611 edition King James bible along with the Hebrew bible however I respect anyone who has come to knowledge who they are in our heavenly Father G-d.I believe his people are soon to be revived by his spirit who they truly are in G-ds Holy covenant he made with our ancestors thousands of years ago before they were dispersed throughout the 4 corners of the earth not knowing who they are and without no known identity but labelled Native Americans. When Moshea/Mose reiterated the Holy covenant to Yaweh,s people the blessings for keeping his ancient covenant along with the curses for disobedience could it be possible he had knowledge that the ten Northern tribes of Israel would be separated some day ?because he blessed them at that present time along with the tribe of Benjamin and Judah even though we were,nt there but we are presently in the now he still referred us then. Deuteronomy 29:15…But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our G-d,and ALSO WITH HIM THAT IS NOT HERE WITH US THIS DAY;

G-d bless B.A.Ritchie

Comment by Bert Ritchie

This is very interesting to me because I KNOW that God sent people to the American continent long before Christ walked the earth. I know this because I believe the Book of Mormon to be true. I urge you to read it. Even if you simply read it to compare the findings in this article to the stories written. It reads of groups of people sent to what is now North America, from Jerusalem and from the tower of Babel, guided by God. It is a record of people who sailed the ocean and landed here, who built great cities and had amazing battles. Who believed in God and who had brought with them, and taught their posterity for generation upon generation the teachings of Moses.

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Book of Morman is not the Bible, the teachings of Moses are Gods words

Comment by godssecret

dalainajoe, I agree with you totally. These archaeologists would be very interested in the very first chapter of the Book of Mormon finding out that the emigrants from Jerusalem (Lehi’s Family) were very educated in Hebrew and also lived in Jerusalem during this Paleo-Hebrew era (about 600 B.C.). The rest of the book is amazing and can explain all these other unknown mysteries found in the Americas. Many people will classify these as hoaks, but in fact, people don’t want to search for and accept the truth. The proof is out there, I’d encourage everyone to at least consider it a possibility and see what you come up with…

Comment by Helaman

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That is NOT GOD’s name.

Comment by Sharon

whats not God’s name ?,

YHVH is The Name

Comment by godssecret

NONSENSE

Comment by godssecret

Actually it’s much worse than mere nonsense. It is stupidity coupled with lunacy at best.

Comment by Ray Perry

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