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December 2, 2008, 9:36 am
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The revealedSecret of the Universe

Unlike what is taught by Christians and Moslems :

It was revealed to Moses at Mount Sinai that Judaism is not the only true way to God. It is not for every person. The God has revealed different ways to other people. You can have “your own path”

Gentiles are not responsible to observe the commandments of the Sinai covenant, as are the Jews.

Universal commandments were given by God to all mankind through Adam and Noah, and are included within the Bible. These universal commandments and the details of their observance all comes from the Torah Revealed at Sinai. These universal commandments are known as the “the seven laws of Noah”.

These 7 laws include :

1.Do not worship Idols

2.Do not use the Name of God in Vain

3.Do not kill

4.Do not act in a sexually immoral manner

5.Do not steal

6.Do not eat the limb of a living animal-no animal cruelty

7.Establish courts of Justice

These seven laws of the Righteous Gentile are similar to the 613 laws of the Torah for the Jew. They have many different levels of understanding and many details of application. Most aspects of the Torah are included within them.

The Gentile, like the Jew, is required to know and serve G-d.

A Gentile who observes these laws is called a “Righteous” Gentile.

Elijah the Prophet teaches in Tana D’vei Eliyahu, (Eliyahu Rabbah 9)

that a Gentile like a Jew can receive Ruach HaKodesh

(The Holy Spirit) in accordance to his/her actions.

He or she can cultivate and thus acquire Ruach HaKodesh if one so chooses,

The sages say :

“a Gentile who studies Torah is like a High Priest.”

(Sanhedrin 59a)

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Tell me something, how is the physiological make-up of a “Jew” different than that of a “gentile?”

If pork was considered unclean and prohibited by God for consumption by Noah (a gentile) then when, where and why did God allow it and consider it to be clean to the gentiles?

How do you reconcile scriptures that clearly say that the gentiles were required to obey the whole law while in Israel?

Comment by David Moorman

physiological make-up of a “Jew” is not different than that of a “gentile

The Kosher laws are not primarily for physical reasons

why did God allow it and consider it to be clean to the gentiles?
They dont have to keep all the laws as it says in the Bible many times

“Say to the Children of Isreal”

How do you reconcile scriptures that clearly say that the gentiles were required to obey the whole law while in Israel?

where does it say that, I dont think so

Comment by godssecret

“why did God allow it and consider it to be clean to the gentiles?”

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If you are referring to Deuteronomy 14 the instruction was given to “test” the Children of Israel. Israel was instructed to “tell the world” about the goodness of God adequately displayed in Deuteronomy 4 – think: “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” The fact that Israel was told, by God, what was good for them to avoid should have been easily offered to strangers to the point the strangers would want to become Israelites themselves.

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How do you reconcile scriptures that clearly say that the gentiles were required to obey the whole law while in Israel?

“where does it say that, I dont think so”

Have you not read the scriptures?

Exd 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Lev 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I [am] the LORD your God.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

God is not now, nor has He ever been, a respecter of persons. The blood coursing through one’s veins means nothing in regard to who is a child of God.

He can make “stones” His children if necessary!

Comment by David Moorman

Hi,
You raise some interesting points

The Torah all the time adresses itself to only the people of Isreal as this

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
2. Speak to the people of Israel,

To answer your question. Again all the world is not required to be Jewish. To follow all 613 laws of the Torah.

It is forbidden for Jews to seek converts. As its way is not for every one. If one were to convert and later find its not meant for them . Their transgression creates unneeded negativity judgment in the world.

The word for “stranger” in the verses you quoted. It is mistranslated. The true meaning of the Hebrew word “Ger” is convert not stranger. A jew born as a Jew and a convert are under the law in the exact same way.

You can see this from the context of the verse :

48. And when a stranger shall sojourn with you, and will keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one who is born in the land; for no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.
49. One law shall be for him who is native born, and for the stranger who sojourns among you.
50. Thus did all the people of Israel; as the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.
51. And it came to pass the same day, that the Lord did bring the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their armies.

As you see from these context the strangers (converts) referred to here are all circumcised (ritually)

It further says :”No uncircumcised person shall eat of it.”

As far as Kosher food goes its not required for a non Jew to eat only Kosher. If they would want to give up pig and shell fish for God they could do so of course.

The God sees the heart.

Its all about Love.

One should do what they can.

Hope this is clearer

Do good, work the light

Peach

Comment by godssecret

Using your logic if the Torah (which means “teaching”) was only for Israel then it is perfectly OK for gentiles to violate the law.

Not very logical. But, when the necessity arises to minimize the 4th Commandment anything is possible.

Also “ger” doesn’t mean convert it means just exactly what it says – “H1616 in the Strong’s says: or (fully) geyr (gare); from ‘guwr’ (1481); properly, a guest; by implication, a foreigner:–alien, sojourner, stranger. http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB16.htm#S1616 – As you can see convert is nowhere mentioned.

Lastly, it would be helpful to use other versions of the Bible to help you see what exactly is being said:

NLT – “If there are foreigners living among you who want to celebrate the LORD’s Passover, let all the males be circumcised. Then they may come and celebrate the Passover with you. They will be treated just as if they had been born among you. But an uncircumcised male may never eat of the Passover lamb.

NIV – “An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of it.

The implication is clear. If a man wants to keep the Passover he and all his males must be circumcised, not just his males.

BTW, Noah didn’t eat pig, bats or rats and he wasn’t a Jew!

Comment by David Moorman

Every one in the world is not obligated to all the commands in the Torah. Only the Jews are responsible to act according to the letter of the law. And this is a good thing. Otherwise there would be a lot more people doing what they should not.

But this is not the case

Using your logic if the Torah (which means “teaching”) was only for Israel then it is perfectly OK for gentiles to violate the law.

The God gave all the world guidance by the 7 laws of Noah. The Torah teaches about the power of combinations and warns against mixing the wrong things together. One of these is the prohibition against wearing a mixture of wool and linen in the same piece of clothing, as it is written, “You shall not wear combined fibers, wool and linen together” (Deut. 22:11). Everyone in the world does not have to be concerned with this. It is One of the 613 commands given to the children of Isreal. Everyone in the world does not have to worry about what called in the Bible “Shatnez”. If they were all obligated in all the commandments of the Torah the world would be in a lot more trouble than its already in.

Not very logical. But, when the necessity arises to minimize the 4th Commandment anything is possible.

you mean the Sabbath ?

Also “ger” doesn’t mean convert it means just exactly what it says – “H1616 in the Strong’s says: or (fully) geyr (gare); from ‘guwr’ (1481); properly, a guest; by implication, a foreigner:–alien, sojourner, stranger. http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB16.htm#S1616 – As you can see convert is nowhere mentioned.

Thats crazy , from the Mishna ,and talmud and modern hebrew and all the commentaries “ger” means convert. That is the way it is read in Hebrew. See :

Ger Tzedek
From English WikiNoah
A convert to Judaism is referred to as a ger tzedek (Hebrew: “righteous proselyte” or “proselyte [of] righteousness”) or simply ger (“stranger” or “proselyte”).

http://www.wikinoah.org/index.php/Ger_Tzedek

Lastly, it would be helpful to use other rieversions of the Bible to help you see what exactly is being said:

I dont use “versions”, I read the Bible in its “original” language Hebrew. Translations change and limit its meaning. But something is better than nothing

NLT – “If there are foreigners living among you who want to celebrate the LORD’s Passover, let all the males be circumcised. Then they may come and celebrate the Passover with you. They will be treated just as if they had been born among you. But an uncircumcised male may never eat of the Passover lamb.

NIV – “An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of it.

The implication is clear. If a man wants to keep the Passover he and all his males must be circumcised, not just his males.

The Circumcised referred to here are those of the covenant of Abraham Isaak and Jacob. These would be the Jews.
Circumcision is required for conversion

BTW, Noah didn’t eat pig, bats or rats and he wasn’t a Jew!

Before the Torah was Given at Sinai any who did keep the law was a personal thing

Comment by godssecret

Fact #1 Adam & Noah’s generation lost their covenantal relationship with Adoni, and as a result the inhabitants of the earth were destroyed, and or scattered abroad.

Fact #2 Genesis states that the world was created for the sake of Abraham. It is through Abraham in which one today or then can create a covenantal relationship with Adoni, the Elohim in which Abraham 1st called out to in prayer. I upon holding a kosher Sefer Torah in my arms and next to my heart and swaring an oath in the name of Adoni, thus created an eternal binding oath upon the life of my Nefesh in the name of Adoni. I thus created my very own personal covenant with Adoni. What does this make me? Not a Bnai Brit Israel, as I was not born from the seed of Abraham, but that created me anew a Bnai Brit Abraham. As promised by Adoni, Abraham will be the Father of a multitude of nations, thus I am.

Fact #3 Seven laws. Considering the seven laws are in fact established since Adam, the Talmud states while Israel was receiving the laws at Sinai, it is said that Adoni looked and seen that the nations were not observing the noahite laws and Adoni removed them from the responsibility there of, however He made them permissible to them. (In my opinion this occurred during and because of the tower of Babylon when Adoni went down to see (Judge) the bnai Adam children of men. Note just prior to this the Torah called them bnai Noach, but at the tower and after the tower, nowhere in the Torah since does it call them Bnai Noach. Now it calls non-bnai brit nations, just Goyiem.) So gentile’s who are non-bnai brit have no covenantal relationship today with Adoni. Today they are not compelled to observe these seven laws as they once were. In fact without proper and formal permission they the non-bnai brit’s are considered to be under the death penalty for observing the Torah, as they are already been judged and now await their death. To bring the non-bnai brit back to an eternal relationship with Adoni a covenantal oath has to occur. Now the seven laws only can be observed via by permission, and the permission is by way of a binding Torah oath, which creates a new Nefesh and establishes an eternal covenant with Adoni. Then the non-bnai brit becomes a bnai brit, and then is allowed to observe these laws. If these seven laws are violated then the one who created the brit relationship with Adoni by way of an oath-brit will be punished accordingly. Back in the time of the Temple and Sanhedrin non-bnai brits would come to live in Israel and the courts had to be able to control them so since the non-bnai brit had no laws in which to follow as Adoni took them away from them, the Sanhedrin invented the seven law system to give the strangers legal protection and give them jurisdiction over the person should they violate one of the seven laws. So once the non-bnai brit established an oath-brit & sacrifice, he was then called a ger tshov and was under the legal system of the courts of the land of Israel. However the court’s jurisdiction only extended while the person lived in the land of Israel. Once the one left the land of Israel, the ger tshov then no longer applied as the Sanhedrin only had jurisdiction within its land of Israel. Today with no official Sanhedrin, & No Israel land under Torah law, there is no possibility a creating a Ger Tshov in the normal terms. However today the opportunity arose for the non-bnai Brit to follow the path of Abraham and הָעִבְרִי (Cross Over) from the impure side “non-bnai brit” to the side of the pure “bnai brit”, and thus be attached to Abraham as a Allied Abrahamic nation, and Attached to Adoni and share in the world to come along with the bnai brit. No brit relationship, no world to come.

Fact #4 Balaam & others are mentioned in the Talmud as evil and not having a portion in the world to come. So it taught that he was a non-bnai brit so others say that are non-bnai brit must have a share in the world to come since they were not considered evil like Balaam and his cohorts. However in other sources outside the Talmud, it is taught that non-bnai brits have to formally appear before a bet din and make a “temporarily pledge”, to observing the seven laws then they will have a share in the world to come. However a pledge to a bet din is “not binding” and is “not eternal”, thus this pledge does not establish the non- bnai brit as a bnai brit whom will share in the world to come as a sworn Torah Oath, as in the name of Adoni which would establish eternal binding thus a place in the world to come would be for cretin. Balaam in his case if he were to try to make a formal oath to observe the noahite laws would be denied, verses the other non-bnai brits would not be denied.

Fact #5 Asuming that the seven laws did not exist, but only was created by the rabbinical dynisty during the Sanhedrin and second temple. Nowhere in Human history since Adam up till to date is ever a document or a recording of the Seven laws, except in the Talmud which was created by the Rabbinical dynasty that went into power after the destruction of the second temple. As the formulation of the Talmud was largely done from members of the Sanhedrin, thus the seven laws would mentioned since they created them, and that with a very few times mentioned. This leaves one to think these laws were only invented during the Time of the creation of the Great assembly during or shortly after the building of the Temple. One would think that for sure as important as these laws were to the nations and was at one time observed by other nations, if they existed since Adam’s time, that one would think that somewhere in human history there would be some discussion documented from among the other nations, other than the recently created Talmud. There is none!

Comment by Oved Cohen Evre

Don’t be so sure, the values of the 7 laws are

pretty much found in all cultures.

Thank you you have made some interesting points

Shalom

Comment by godssecret




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